Questions about buying...

[69cam383]

Hey there. I am looking to buy a specific handgun (Sig P250 Compact) and it is on the DOJ approved list online as a P250 two tone Compact 9mm, but when I went to my local firearm dealer today, they called Sig Sauer directly to order it, Sig Sauer told them that they would not ship to CA... My question is, if I have a friend who is a LEO purchase the gun and we do a PPT, is this legal/okay, and does it still have to be two tone or can it be a plain black finish? Any help you guys might offer me would be greatly helpful. I've waited 3 years for this gun to be "okay" with CA DOJ and just when I thought it was, it isn't...

Thanks Again.

[003]

What you are proposing is called a “straw purchase”, and is most definitely illegal. Question 11a on ATF form 4473 specifically asks if the person doing the transaction is the actual buyer. Doing what you propose could very well cost your friend his career, and land both of you in court.

"11.a. Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you."

[Librarian]

003 is correct.

Some Sacramento LEO are (still?) being prosecuted for this.

And, messing with such things might easily come to the attention of the LEO's management, and might result in disciplinary action, up to firing, even without criminal charges.

That's a lot to ask from a friend.

[69cam383]

even if he purchased it and then waited like 30 days to "sell" the handgun to me?

[TRICKSTER]

even if he purchased it and then waited like 30 days to "sell" the handgun to me?

Yes.

[CaptMike]

If you are "planning" to purchase it, then yes, it is illegal. I wouldn't do this for any of my friends. My career is more important that helping a friend get a gun he wants. Bad idea, especially since you asked this in a public forum and now this can be used against your friend.

[Doheny]

003 is correct.

Some Sacramento LEO are (still?) being prosecuted for this.

And, messing with such things might easily come to the attention of the LEO's management, and might result in disciplinary action, up to firing, even without criminal charges.

That's a lot to ask from a friend.

Is this the one you're speaking of? https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/20...piracy-charge/

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[P5Ret]

Your playing with matches and gasoline with your friends career. I'm confused does Sig not even know what guns they have on roster in CA? If the gun is available there has to be one at a Sig distributor somewhere. Maybe the LGS is just blowing smoke because he doesn't want to deal with it for some reason. Check around if it's on roster I'm sure some LGS can find one for you.

[gogohopper]

even if he purchased it and then waited like 30 days to "sell" the handgun to me?

Like, yeah. like, even if he, like waited, like 60 days. Not sure if troll. You have your answer.

[LtJim]

Ethical Dilemma - A Career Defining Choice

Subj wants gun ----

Subj Asks LEO who is friend to buy the gun for him, because he can not lawfully purchase the gun, and then transfer it over to him.

Subj forces "His Friend" a LEO, into an "Ethical Dilemma" situation.

Really this is a very simple. Your friend (and probably 99% of other LEO's) will simply tell you no way. If it were me, I would take a sincere offense for you even asking me to do this. Because of your desire, you are asking a LEO to commit a crime? You see where this is going? When you were a juvenile, did you ask people over 21 to buy you alcohol? Same principal.

As a former California Police Academy Instructor, and Retired Internal Affairs Investigator,(30+ years) this was the type of information that we would hammer at our people. Friends/People will say or do things that will test your will & compromise your integrity. Do it once - BAM--Your career is done.

Would love to hear from all you Old Timers on this. Please correct me if I am wrong. However, I think I am spot on--

Don't embarrass yourself---don't even ask your friend

[69cam383]

that's why I came on here to find out if it was legal. please understand, I am aware of CA gun laws but have no idea on LEO's selling their "off roster" firearms when they no longer want/need them... thank you for all the input, been super helpful

[Librarian]

that's why I came on here to find out if it was legal. please understand, I am aware of CA gun laws but have no idea on LEO's selling their "off roster" firearms when they no longer want/need them... thank you for all the input, been super helpful

Then you had some 'unfortunate phrasing' in your original post:

My question is, if I have a friend who is a LEO purchase the gun and we do a PPT, is this legal/okay, and does it still have to be two tone or can it be a plain black finish?

" ... selling their "off roster" firearms when they no longer want/need them.." is rather different from " ... if I have a friend who is a LEO purchase the gun and we do a PPT ... ".

The first is legal; LEOs are allowed to get tired of guns and decide to sell them just as any other CA resident may do.

The second is highly likely to be illegal, as most of the replies have noted.

[003]

Well said Librarian - - I was getting ready to make the same point.

[69cam383]

okay sorry for mis-phrasing it. i guess this is how i should have phrased it.

LEO purchases said Sig P250 from authorized dealer under LEO's name and agency affiliation, DROS clear and all fees paid. 1-2 weeks later, LEO no longer "wants" said Sig P250 and decides to sell to me, via a PPT at an authorized dealer, where I then have DROS clear before taking possession of the firearm.

again, if this isn't kosher then i won't do it. my want of this gun does not exceed my friends career and livelihood. i just come to here for assistance and direction how ways that i could possibly acquire it, but of course always legally, never questionably. this is the way that the sales manager at turners told me was my best bet, so i sought to here to see if he was correct.

[Nefarious]

okay sorry for mis-phrasing it. i guess this is how i should have phrased it.

LEO purchases said Sig P250 from authorized dealer under LEO's name and agency affiliation, DROS clear and all fees paid. 1-2 weeks later, LEO no longer "wants" said Sig P250 and decides to sell to me, via a PPT at an authorized dealer, where I then have DROS clear before taking possession of the firearm.

again, if this isn't kosher then i won't do it. my want of this gun does not exceed my friends career and livelihood. i just come to here for assistance and direction how ways that i could possibly acquire it, but of course always legally, never questionably. this is the way that the sales manager at turners told me was my best bet, so i sought to here to see if he was correct.

Brother, even stated like that it doesn't sound good

Edit: im sure there are reasons why someone wouldn't "want" their newly acquired pistol after 1-2 weeks..... but still