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  • elx144
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2009
    • 1394

    What do I need to know about North Eastern AZ

    We went through Show Low a couple months ago and my wife and I agree we could live there. I'm seeing 40 acre parcels 30-40 minutes down a dirt road. The area is mostly Mormon. We saw maybe one sketchy car out of hundreds. There's big families so my kids can have someone to play with in town. You get access to a community well, but we would eventually want our own drilled. It would be off grid, so solar and batteries. The first thing we would add is a septic system and a bunch of food storage incase the road out gets flooded. Then get a build permit for a house and authorization to live in our RV while we build. I know in Apache county you can live in an RV but Navajo has some more restrictions.

    What do I need to know about this area?

    I want to raise cattle and laying hens, but some pigs might be in the future.
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    elx144
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2009
    • 1394

    In AZ there's no trailer registration if it's for hauling water.

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      elx144
      CGN Contributor
      • Dec 2009
      • 1394

      You can sell 750 dozen eggs a year if you label them "nest run". After that you need to get into grading and cleaning.

      Buying cattle requires an inspection before you move them.

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      • #4
        sigstroker
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2009
        • 19180

        I never thought of Show Low as "Eastern AZ".

        Have you been there in the winter? It snows quite a bit. The biggest ski area in AZ is just down the road.

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        • #5
          elx144
          CGN Contributor
          • Dec 2009
          • 1394

          Originally posted by sigstroker
          I never thought of Show Low as "Eastern AZ".

          Have you been there in the winter? It snows quite a bit. The biggest ski area in AZ is just down the road.
          We're coming from Reno where we had some good snow, even as late as May. The land we're looking at is at a lower elevation though. Between Show Low and Winslow, but not too far into the desert. We want to spend the winter at the Show Low elevation so we can get used to the area. I'm looking at maybe a foot of snow in the winter in the northern area and some good monsoons that fill the washes during monsoon season. Mid 80 degree summers is what I'm after.

          I'll be collecting as much rain and snow runnoff as I can.

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          • #6
            SVT-40
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2008
            • 12894

            Originally posted by elx144
            We went through Show Low a couple months ago and my wife and I agree we could live there. I'm seeing 40 acre parcels 30-40 minutes down a dirt road. The area is mostly Mormon. We saw maybe one sketchy car out of hundreds. There's big families so my kids can have someone to play with in town. You get access to a community well, but we would eventually want our own drilled. It would be off grid, so solar and batteries. The first thing we would add is a septic system and a bunch of food storage incase the road out gets flooded. Then get a build permit for a house and authorization to live in our RV while we build. I know in Apache county you can live in an RV but Navajo has some more restrictions.

            What do I need to know about this area?

            I want to raise cattle and laying hens, but some pigs might be in the future.
            What are you going to do to support your family?

            You're not going to support a family with a few cattle and some chickens.

            How are you going to get out on the dirt roads when there is a foot or more of snow in the winter?

            Show Low is a nice place to visit. I've been there on short vacations. But there isn't much there. Mainly retirees with retirement income.
            Poke'm with a stick!


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            • #7
              elx144
              CGN Contributor
              • Dec 2009
              • 1394

              Originally posted by SVT-40
              What are you going to do to support your family?

              You're not going to support a family with a few cattle and some chickens.

              How are you going to get out on the dirt roads when there is a foot or more of snow in the winter?

              Show Low is a nice place to visit. I've been there on short vacations. But there isn't much there. Mainly retirees with retirement income.
              I have investment income from years of working. I can also pick up remote work as I need it.

              They do plow some of the roads. It's about $300/year for access to the well but that also comes with road maintenance. When we can't make it out we'll have to rely on our food storage. But it depends on the location really. As you move into the lower elevations there's less snow, maybe a couple inches.

              I'll probably be able to get more than 40 acres as the prices keep coming down and my investments go up. There's 80, 160, and 240 acre parcels for sale. This is the cheapest land I've been able to find and the weather isn't too extreme if you go to the right area. But I'll go walk the land in the different seasons, I'm still holding off for another year or so.

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              • #8
                sigstroker
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2009
                • 19180

                Originally posted by elx144
                We're coming from Reno where we had some good snow, even as late as May. The land we're looking at is at a lower elevation though. Between Show Low and Winslow, but not too far into the desert. We want to spend the winter at the Show Low elevation so we can get used to the area. I'm looking at maybe a foot of snow in the winter in the northern area and some good monsoons that fill the washes during monsoon season. Mid 80 degree summers is what I'm after.

                I'll be collecting as much rain and snow runnoff as I can.
                I've never been in the area you're talking about, but Show Low prob gets a lot more than a foot a year. Maybe a foot at a time.

                Originally posted by elx144
                I have investment income from years of working. I can also pick up remote work as I need it.

                They do plow some of the roads. It's about $300/year for access to the well but that also comes with road maintenance. When we can't make it out we'll have to rely on our food storage. But it depends on the location really. As you move into the lower elevations there's less snow, maybe a couple inches.

                I'll probably be able to get more than 40 acres as the prices keep coming down and my investments go up. There's 80, 160, and 240 acre parcels for sale. This is the cheapest land I've been able to find and the weather isn't too extreme if you go to the right area. But I'll go walk the land in the different seasons, I'm still holding off for another year or so.
                It's starting to sound more like what I think of when I hear "Northeastern AZ", ****ty desert rock. Make sure there's actually something growing on the land you're considering, because a lot of that ****ty land for sale cheap doesn't have any. If you want to have cows, there's a formula for how much land you need to support a single cow. I can't remember what it is, but it's a lot. A family friend was a rancher, but he had tens of thousands of acres.

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                • #9
                  audiophil2
                  Senior Member
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8736

                  Annoyingly windy out there with low quality dirt.
                  You get what you pay.

                  If you have the money go smaller and look between camp Verde and Pine. Lots of hobby farms out there. It's hotter but the river helps a lot. It reminds me of a primitive Sonoma county. Closer to civilization too.
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                  • #10
                    edgerly779
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 19871

                    I have off grid solar on my property. No power bills and free water. I [ump ,y well with 1 solar panel. Fills 5 k tank in couple days

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                    • #11
                      sigstroker
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 19180

                      That river is cool. It's the only one I've canoed on. Yes, I was in college. Yes, only one of us in the canoe had a clue. Yes, we crashed the canoe and almost died in some rapids.

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                      • #12
                        Henry Shooter
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 1099

                        Verify you can hit water if you sink a well.
                        Not a lot of water under certain Parts of Arizona.

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                        • #13
                          audiophil2
                          Senior Member
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8736

                          Originally posted by sigstroker
                          That river is cool. It's the only one I've canoed on. Yes, I was in college. Yes, only one of us in the canoe had a clue. Yes, we crashed the canoe and almost died in some rapids.
                          I rarely talk about that area. I go there almost weekly in the summer. I have a spot where the river is about 20 ft wide and 3 ft deep. I was there 2 weeks ago and watched the catfish picking through the rocks. My girl was catching crayfish by hand. I put an inflatable full size mattress on the river and tie it to a tree. We sleep on the river in the afternoon shade. Water is now refreshing cold. Swimmable even for me.
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                          • #14
                            DaveInOroValley
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 8967

                            We’ve been through Show Low looking for acreage, I would take a breath and be honest with yourself and if you can be ok with the following then more power to you.

                            1. Schools for the children
                            2. Health care access for the family
                            3. Access to basic needs if needed
                            4. Maintaining an off grid existence
                            5. If you can deal with all of that 100% then go for it.
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                            Vet since 1978

                            "Don't bother me with facts, Son. I've already made up my mind." -Foghorn Leghorn

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                            • #15
                              sigstroker
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 19180

                              Originally posted by DaveInOroValley
                              We?ve been through Show Low looking for acreage, I would take a breath and be honest with yourself and if you can be ok with the following then more power to you.

                              1. Schools for the children
                              2. Health care access for the family
                              3. Access to basic needs if needed
                              4. Maintaining an off grid existence
                              5. If you can deal with all of that 100% then go for it.
                              Show Low isn't Mayberry, for crying out loud. Population is almost 12,000. Pinetop is almost 5000.

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