This is why we moved to UT

[BakoJ]

In CA, the teachers unions rule the schools and educator discipline is impossible. Outside of sexual misconduct, you can't get rid of a teacher. My wife was dept chair at the CA school she taught at and had severe discipline problems with long time teachers who did the same thing in their classes: TDS, mocking students for their beliefs, constant panic attacks, profanity.

I'm glad to see UT won't put up with that garbage.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50225272/lehi-teacher-no-longer-employed-after-controversial-political-speech-to-class

[Jwalt]

On the one hand, I really don't have a problem with unions demanding a fair hearing.

On the other, there's nothing fair about the process in California.

Filing complaints is insanely difficult and at every level districts try to avoid disciplining their teachers. They don't want bad press and they don't want trouble with the unions and often the very people that are supposed to be disciplining bad teachers were teachers not long before.

IME, when the SH... hits the fan suddenly the "good" teachers who informed you about wrongdoing in the first place suddenly change their stories after speaking to union lawyers. Evidence disappears. Complaints get "lost" and then claims are made that deadlines passed.

Then every district seems to have the dumping grounds, the horrible schools for people they know they should fire but don't want to be bothered to deal with.

I'd love to know how to stop this kind of corrupt institutional bureaucracy from setting in. Until the 1980's, most districts were just like this with teachers suspected of sexually abusing kids too. So I have to assume it's (sadly) massive lawsuits that make the difference.

[DaveInOroValley]

Wow she's a loon.

[BakoJ]

Haha the lunatic made Fox News. I bet she's losing her mind.

[Jeepergeo]

Wow she's a loon.

On the teacher scale, she is fairly middle of the road.

[sigstroker]

On the teacher scale, she is fairly middle of the road.

Probably true.

The biggest factor that ruined schools was tenure. It's been around a long time but it seems like teachers decide to abuse it the most in the last 20 years or so.

Get rid of tenure and public schools will improve.

[Jeepergeo]

Probably true.

The biggest factor that ruined schools was tenure. It's been around a long time but it seems like teachers decide to abuse it the most in the last 20 years or so.

Get rid of tenure and public schools will improve.

Due to unions, good teachers stand behind the bad teachers....and that says something about the ethics and backbones of union members.

[GlockN'Roll]

Due to unions, good teachers stand behind the bad teachers....

and that says something about the ethics and backbones of union members.

Unions are clearly the problem, Californian unions are extremely powerful, thanks to the DemonCrat Party and their socialist supporters...

[Widdle]

Due to unions, good teachers stand behind the bad teachers....and that says something about the ethics and backbones of union members.

[sigstroker]

Due to unions, good teachers stand behind the bad teachers....and that says something about the ethics and backbones of union members.

Eff unions. Teachers have gotten paychecks for over a year for doing nothing, and their pay is going up. School admins just have to tell unions to stuff it, no more tenure. Strike if they don't like it, thousand of millennials are looking for jobs, it won't be hard filling the positions.

[Jeepergeo]

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. If one's union sticks up for staff that should clearly be fired and the member dies not speak out about it, then that union member is a bad apple too. Same applies when the union supports creeoy politicians.

[BakoJ]

The unions are not nearly as strong here as they are in CA. If there wasn't danger to my wife about posting, I could say more.

[Harry Ono]

In CA, the teachers unions rule the schools and educator discipline is impossible. Outside of sexual misconduct, you can't get rid of a teacher. My wife was dept chair at the CA school she taught at and had severe discipline problems with long time teachers who did the same thing in their classes: TDS, mocking students for their beliefs, constant panic attacks, profanity.

I'm glad to see UT won't put up with that garbage.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50225272...peech-to-class

Best Idea I head was to put a bounty on these educators.

[jarhead714]

So why won’t the district specify if the teacher was fired or not? That sort of secrecy in their dealings with the personnel who are in charge of our children is barely more palatable than the teacher openly spewing her nonsense in class. The teachers and many districts deserve each other, they just don’t deserve our children and tax money.