Replacing the M9/M11

[Chitwood]

I never had the honor of serving so please forgive my intruding into the "In Service" forum, but I'm curious what those of you who have been there / done that think about replacing the M9/M11.

All of the media stories I read are have some variation of "more stopping power" in the theme, which begs why the politically correct/NATO coordination 9mm had to replace John Moses Browning's work of art in the first place.

With a grip that can accommodate just about anyone, good reliability in harsh conditions and a lightning-bolt round, will reintroducing a variation of the 1911 be in the mix? I realize 8+1 is not ideal, but how else are you going to get a powerful round in a grip that fits just about anyone?

[stitch_paradox]

1. There's a post about this already: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=953845

2. It's a dupe.

3. Did i say there's a post about it already?

[GardoneVT]

I never had the honor of serving so please forgive my intruding into the "In Service" forum, but I'm curious what those of you who have been there / done that think about replacing the M9/M11.

All of the media stories I read are have some variation of "more stopping power" in the theme, which begs why the politically correct/NATO coordination 9mm had to replace John Moses Browning's work of art in the first place.

With a grip that can accommodate just about anyone, good reliability in harsh conditions and a lightning-bolt round, will reintroducing a variation of the 1911 be in the mix? I realize 8+1 is not ideal, but how else are you going to get a powerful round in a grip that fits just about anyone?

I propose that the mods immediately lock any thread containing the words "new army pistol" and 1911. Folks, it ain't coming back. Stop asking.

[stormvet]

Nope, never gonna happen. But M&P .45, gets my vote. Not that it matters but they should listen to me after all I stayed in a Holliday Inn express last night.

[ParkwayDrive]

1. There's a post about this already: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=953845

2. It's a dupe.

3. Did i say there's a post about it already?

He's asking for personal insight from those who were in. Relax.



Personally, I never carried an M9 but I did go the M9 ranges and qual with it regularly. In my infantry platoon, we only had two and both of the 240 gunners carried them. From everything I've heard, the Army is not taking 9mm off the table, it's simply open to a new platform, with the possibility of a new caliber.

The problem with handgun cartridges is that they are all garbage, at least the big three. For handguns, shot placement is the most important thing. I specifically say that about handguns because a 7.62x51 round hitting you anywhere will **** you up bad and shot placement isn't as critical. Due to them being weak rounds, capacity is much more important and why I think we should stick with 9mm and I personally believe we should go with Glock 17s. ODA have been using Glocks for quite a while now so they aren't new to the Army.

[chris]

He's asking for personal insight from those who were in. Relax.



Personally, I never carried an M9 but I did go the M9 ranges and qual with it regularly. In my infantry platoon, we only had two and both of the 240 gunners carried them. From everything I've heard, the Army is not taking 9mm off the table, it's simply open to a new platform, with the possibility of a new caliber.

The problem with handgun cartridges is that they are all garbage, at least the big three. For handguns, shot placement is the most important thing. I specifically say that about handguns because a 7.62x51 round hitting you anywhere will **** you up bad and shot placement isn't as critical. Due to them being weak rounds, capacity is much more important and why I think we should stick with 9mm and I personally believe we should go with Glock 17s. ODA have been using Glocks for quite a while now so they aren't new to the Army.

SIG's have been used by MI and CID for years as well. both handguns are fine IMO. I don't like glocks because the way they fit in my hand that is my reason.

[ParkwayDrive]

SIG's have been used by MI and CID for years as well. both handguns are fine IMO. I don't like glocks because the way they fit in my hand that is my reason.

I'm not saying other handguns don't exist that are just as good as Glocks or that Glocks are the holy grail. I agree with you, both would be fine. Glocks have been proven in combat by the Army, so that's a huge plus when considering a new handgun for combat.

[Chitwood]

I DID see the other post but was hoping for a better mix of actual field experience in this sub-forum, sorry for the annoyance.

As for the effectiveness of the .45ACP, too bad Sgt. Alvin Cullum York is not around to lend his comments.

I shall posit questions no more on any of these forums, so as to not further annoy the good people of CalGuns.net. Goodbye.

[ParkwayDrive]

I DID see the other post but was hoping for a better mix of actual field experience in this sub-forum, sorry for the annoyance.

As for the effectiveness of the .45ACP, too bad Sgt. Alvin Cullum York is not around to lend his comments.

I shall posit questions no more on any of these forums, so as to not further annoy the good people of CalGuns.net. Goodbye.

You're overreacting. Don't listen to Gardone. I already defended you and then you run away?

You're not going to find much personal experience about handguns in combat here or anywhere. Using a handgun in combat is a very rare thing. The best you'll get is the opinions of active duty/vets on what should be done, which is still different from the original thread about this in the regular forums.

[Gun_Smoke]

Some Marine units get 1911s.

I have a 1911 issued to me and it is great. They are nice I like it way more than any 9mm I have ever shot. Granted the 1911 is brand new and the m9s were used and abused. I don't like the ergonomics of the m9 at all though so even if it shot well I don't like how it feels in my hand.

[ParkwayDrive]

Some Marine units get 1911s.

I have a 1911 issued to me and it is great. They are nice I like it way more than any 9mm I have ever shot. Granted the 1911 is brand new and the m9s were used and abused. I don't like the ergonomics of the m9 at all though so even if it shot well I don't like how it feels in my hand.

The Army issues 1911s as well, doesn't mean it should be the standard pistol.

[ChuckDizzle]

I saw an M9 fired in theater twice. Once was by a female MP major who dropped a bad guy nearly instantly when he tried to run a check point. This was probably from 15 yards away. While she fired six shots in rapid succession only the first two hit the target center mass and dropped him dead as dead. I was surprised at the effectiveness of the pistol and the cartridge, but the shots were placed very well, and I have no doubt that if he hadn't dropped like a marionette with his strings cut the other four rounds would have found home in his abdomen or chest.

I also saw one shot from a battalion SGM kill one of those big Afghan dogs, but that dog got shot in the face.

[Anthracis]

Pistol use in combat is very RARE indeed. Lots of rifles available.

[Jeep67cj5]

Should go to all 1911's...

[Gawernator]

Marines switched over to the 1911 again... it was big in the news, some cool model too. "stopping power" is a myth, Beretta M9 is an okay gun, not my favorite but it works pretty well. "any bullet is no bullet someone wants to take"