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  • HelmandHunter
    Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 106

    Camp Pendleton Weapons Regulations

    Gentlemen,

    I am posting this to clear up some of the misconceptions about registering your weapons on base. I have lurked around Calguns long enough to see individuals posting incorrect infomation and hopefully you all can benefit from reading the order/regulations. They are very simple. If you have any questions or need any clarification please let me know.

    Reference(s): Camp Pendleton Base Order 5000.2k

    DEFINITION OF A FIREARM

    BO 5000.2K – PG 6-34
    “… The term “firearm” shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon from which is expelled a potentially lethal projectile by the force of any explosion or combustion, through force of air pressure or C02 pressure, or by spring action.”

    Base Regulations require that all privately-owned weapons brought aboard Marine Corps Base, Camp Pendleton for storage must be registered within 72 hours after having been introduced on board the military installation.

    Personal weapons will be registered at the Police Records section (Bldg. 1523, Mon-Fri from 7:30 a.m. - 3:30 p.m., telephone 725-0819).

    The PMO complex is on mainside, Drive on vandegrift past MCX, Country store, ad Johnny Rockets. Its your first light after Rocket's. Take a LEFT and an immediate RIGHT into the PMO complex. Walk down the left side of the building to get to police records. Bring the bill of sale OR the unloaded cased weapon.

    Additionally, personnel will deregister their weapons within 72 hours of their sale or removal from the base.

    Persons living in Base Housing are authorized to store weapons in their quarters. Marines living in BEQs/BOQs are required to store their weapons in their unit armory.

    Base Order P5000.2 states:

    "Personal weapons and ammunition will not be kept or stored in barracks, BOQs, BEQs, Temporary Lodging Facilities, in boats kept at the Marina, in any vehicle in storage lots, or office spaces. Privately-owned weapons and ammunition owned by personnel residing in BOQs, BEQs, and barracks will be stored in unit armories."

    "Personnel residing in family housing (other than the temporary lodging facilities) may store their registered weapons in their quarters. All weapons and ammunition will be stored in approved containers. Weapons containers must be capable of being locked. All weapons will be fitted with a trigger lock."

    Storage of any ammunition greater than small arms ammunition, to include explosives, in government owned quarters is prohibited.

    "Weapons will not be routinely carried or stored in vehicles."

    BO P5000.2 requires that the following weapons be registered:
    (1) Pistols/Revolvers
    (2) Rifles
    (3) Shotguns
    (4) BB/Pellet Guns
    (5) Paint Guns
    (6) Historical type weapons
    (7) Crossbows
    (8) Bows (conventional or compound)
    (9) Spear Guns
    (10) Assault Weapons*
    (11) Knives**
    (12) Martial Arts Weapons***

    *Assault Weapons and .50 Calibre BMG (Browning Machine Gun) Rifles, as defined by California Penal Code sections 12275-12278 can only be registered on base after they have been registered with the California Department of Justice. Please direct questions to DOJ at (916) 263-4887, or http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

    **Knives. All knives (to include swords and axes) primarily designed for offensive or defensive use, including folding knives with blades over 6 inches long, will be registered. This does not include kitchen knives or ceremonial swords with unsharpened edges/points, or folding knives with blades under 6 inches long.

    ***Martial arts weapons (e.g., nunchaku, tonfa, bo, etc.) may be possessed and registered on Base if the owner is certified to teach or is a bona fide student of that art of self-defense and is doing so through the Assistant Chief of Staff, Marine Corps Community Services or a nationally or internationally accredited dojo (i.e., school) off of the military installation.

    Transportation Procedures:

    Persons over the age of 18 years who reside or are temporarily aboard the military reservation may transport and carry any non-prohibited weapons, whether capable of being concealed upon the person or not, provided that the following applies to the weapon:

    a. The weapon is within a motor vehicle, and it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment.

    b. The weapon is carried by the person directly to and from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose (i.e., collectors organization meeting, hunter safety class, recognized sporting event involving that weapon, gun shop, gun show, or swap meet, target range, etc.) and while carrying the weapon, the weapon is unloaded and contained within a locked container.

    c. As used in this directive, “locked container” is defined as a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. The term “locked container” does not include the utility or glove compartment.

    d. A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this directive when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case which holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in or attached to in any manner to the firearm, including but not limited to, in the firing chamber or magazine, clip, or speed loader. Refusal to allow law enforcement or security personnel to inspect a firearm pursuant to the provisions of this paragraph constitutes probable cause for apprehension/detention for violation of this requirement.

    e. Weapons will not be routinely carried or stored in vehicles. In addition, razors without a guarded blade or common tools such as hatchets, axes, screwdrivers, hammers, and similar items shall be carried locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in the rear most cargo area, furthest from the driver when the vehicle has no trunk.

    Registration Procedures:
    It is not necessary to bring the weapon to the Police Records section to register the weapon if the owner has a Dealer’s Receipt of Sale.

    Unique Requirements for Handgun Owners:
    Registering your handgun on base does not fulfill your requirement to register the handgun with the State of California.

    Per the California Department of Justice:
    Any person who moves into California and who brings any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is considered to be a "Personal Handgun Importer" and is required to do one of the following within 60 days:

    1. Complete and submit a NEW RESIDENT HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT form to the Department of Justice. A separate report form and fee is required for each handgun reported. NEW RESIDENT HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT forms can be obtained from California Department of Motor Vehicles' offices, licensed firearms dealers, local police and sheriff's departments, the California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms at (916) 263-4887, or http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

    2. Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction. Or

    3. Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California police or sheriff's department. Persons choosing this option should contact the law enforcement agency for instructions prior to transporting the handgun(s) to the agency.

    Persons who purchase a new handgun from MCCS are automatically registered with the California Department of Justice.

    For questions concerning weapons registration aboard Camp Pendleton contact the Provost Marshal's Support Services Division at (760) 725-0819 / DSN: 365-0819 - Fax (760) 725-0820 / DSN: 365-0820.

    I RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU ARE BRINGING IN ANY AK OR AR, MULTIPLE RIFLES FOR REGISTRATION, THAT YOU CALL AHEAD AND MAKE SURE JOE GRABMAN IS WORKING. MR. GRABMAN IS THE ASSISTANT SERVICES OFFICER AND I MAKE SURE HE WITNESSES THE REGISTRATION AND VERIFIES COMPLIANCE. HE CAN BE REACHED AT (760) 763-1221 OR AT JOE.A.GRABMAN@USMC.MIL . BRING IN THE UNLOADED WEAPON AND ACCOMPANY IT WITH A 10 ROUND MAG.

    IF YOU SHOW UP TO PMO WITH AN AW, THEY WILL CONFISCATE THE FIREARM(S) AND YOU COULD BE ARRESTED OR TURNED OVER TO YOUR COMMAND CHAIN FOR PUNITIVE ACTION. THIS DOES HAPPEN! MARINES SHOW UP NOT RESEARCHING THE LAW AND END UP IN TROUBLE. BEFORE ENTERING THE STATE YOU MUST HAVE A BULLET BUTTON INSTALLED OR YOU COMMIT A FELONY. IF YOU REMOVE THE BULLET BUTTON WHILE ON BASE YOU HAVE VIOLATED STATE LAW AND IN TURN VIOLATE BASE ORDER. BEING ON BASE DOES NOT ABSOLVE YOU OF COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

    I HAVE ASKED PMO TO CALL ME IF AN UNEDUCATED MARINE TRIES TO REGISTER AN AK OR AR RIFLE WTHOUT THE COMPLIANCE DEVICE. I TOLD THEM I WOULD DROP WHAT I WAS DOING AND BRING A DEVICE AND INSTALL IT ON THE SPOT FOR THEM. THEY DECLINED, SAYING THATS NOT THEIR PROBLEM. THOUGH I WOULD LIKE THEM TO LET ME HELP THE MARINE, I CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR THEIR POSITION.

    THERE ARE MANY THREADS THAT OUTLINE WHAT CONSTITUTES AN AW, READ THEM IN THEIR ENIRETY. YOUR PISTOL WITH A THREADED BARREL IS AN AW, BASE KNOWS THIS.

    Example of registration (CLEOC) form:
    Last edited by HelmandHunter; 12-02-2012, 7:08 PM. Reason: ADDED MORE INFO
    "I must study politics and war, that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." - John Adams
  • #2
    TAK
    Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 189

    I didn't read this entire post, because I am familiar with the regs, but are you pmo?
    Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    • #3
      HelmandHunter
      Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 106

      I am not PMO. I have had some unfortunate experiences with attempting to legally bring weapons from my home state to CA. These experiences have made me unusually familiar with base policy. I have attempted to persuade base to assume a supportive position on AW's but my pleading has fallen on deaf ears.
      "I must study politics and war, that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." - John Adams

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      • #4
        todd2968
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 1674

        I suggest altering your weapons with a bullet button until you leave California
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        • #5
          HelmandHunter
          Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 106

          TODD,

          That is not only required, but the base now enforces it. If you show up attempting to register an AW without the state AW permit they confiscate your weapon and turn you over to your command for punitive action.

          At least now I've convinced them to use Calguns flowcharts and they have been using them.

          Also notice the registration form I posted, the Affirmation by the signature. "abide by Federal and STATE laws..."
          "I must study politics and war, that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." - John Adams

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          • #6
            Novator
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 82

            I find it interesting that Pendleton seems to ignore the fact that CA does not require non-resident military to register handguns brought in from out of state.

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            • #7
              The Soup Nazi
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2006
              • 2455

              I think it's hilarious that young, dumb Marines who decide to get contract marriages can keep all of their firearms on base (or off base for that matter), while I can't be trusted to keep my guns even though I've been meritoriously promoted to corporal and sergeant since they've decided not to grant BAH own right on a basis of merit anymore.

              It's really sad that the base has such an anti 2A policy (more restrictive than what the state mandates) and I honestly can't wait to tell the CO that it's part of the reason why I'm getting out.
              Last edited by The Soup Nazi; 12-02-2012, 7:28 AM.

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              • #8
                RileyBean
                Banned
                • Jun 2012
                • 258

                Originally posted by HelmandHunter

                I have lurked around Calguns long enough to see individuals posting incorrect information and hopefully you all can benefit from reading the order/regulations.
                Incorrect info, total B.S., and FUD here on Calguns??????? Perish the thought...... I thought the keyboard commandos here knew everything about everything..... lol.

                Thanks for the good info!!!!!
                (something rarely seen by the armchair lawyers here)

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                • #9
                  stitch_paradox
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1613

                  HelmandHunter,

                  Thanks for posting this info. I just transferred from NASL to Camp Pendleton and it is the exact same rules and regulation regarding having firearms on Base. Your weapon and magazine should be CA compliant, before you can even register it.

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                  • #10
                    stitch_paradox
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 1613

                    Originally posted by Novator
                    I find it interesting that Pendleton seems to ignore the fact that CA does not require non-resident military to register handguns brought in from out of state.

                    You're not registering your weapon to CA, but to Camp Pendleton base itself. Every military base you go it's the same.

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                    • #11
                      HelmandHunter
                      Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 106

                      Originally posted by HelmandHunter
                      Unique Requirements for Handgun Owners:
                      Registering your handgun on base does not fulfill your requirement to register the handgun with the State of California.

                      Per the California Department of Justice:
                      Any person who moves into California and who brings any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is considered to be a "Personal Handgun Importer" and is required to do one of the following within 60 days:

                      1. Complete and submit a NEW RESIDENT HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT form to the Department of Justice. A separate report form and fee is required for each handgun reported. NEW RESIDENT HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT forms can be obtained from California Department of Motor Vehicles' offices, licensed firearms dealers, local police and sheriff's departments, the California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms at (916) 263-4887, or http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

                      2. Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction. Or

                      3. Sell or transfer the handgun(s) to a California police or sheriff's department. Persons choosing this option should contact the law enforcement agency for instructions prior to transporting the handgun(s) to the agency.

                      Persons who purchase a new handgun from MCCS are automatically registered with the California Department of Justice.
                      STITCH,

                      I think NOVATOR was referring to this section regarding handguns. They do tell you that you must fill out a "HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT" at the BOF website.

                      The base does not ask for proof of handgun registration with the state, but they do tell you that in order to comply with CA law that you must do this. We all know this to be incorrect, but I was unable to get them to change the policy. I am not a lawyer, and the lawyers on base are quick to remind you of that fact.

                      I have found very few helpful staff on base, and unfortunately many anti 2A witch-hunters.

                      There are a group of civilians that work in police records. Most of them are helpful and they now use Calguns flowcharts for accuracy.
                      "I must study politics and war, that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." - John Adams

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                      • #12
                        HelmandHunter
                        Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 106

                        I added this text:

                        I RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU ARE BRINGING IN ANY AK OR AR, MULTIPLE RIFLES FOR REGISTRATION, THAT YOU CALL AHEAD AND MAKE SURE JOE GRABMAN IS WORKING. MR. GRABMAN IS THE ASSISTANT SERVICES OFFICER AND I MAKE SURE HE WITNESSES THE REGISTRATION AND VERIFIES COMPLIANCE. HE CAN BE REACHED AT (760) 763-1221 OR AT JOE.A.GRABMAN@USMC.MIL . BRING IN THE UNLOADED WEAPON AND ACCOMPANY IT WITH A 10 ROUND MAG.

                        IF YOU SHOW UP TO PMO WITH AN AW, THEY WILL CONFISCATE THE FIREARM(S) AND YOU COULD BE ARRESTED OR TURNED OVER TO YOUR COMMAND CHAIN FOR PUNITIVE ACTION. THIS DOES HAPPEN! MARINES SHOW UP NOT RESEARCHING THE LAW AND END UP IN TROUBLE. BEFORE ENTERING THE STATE YOU MUST HAVE A BULLET BUTTON INSTALLED OR YOU COMMIT A FELONY. IF YOU REMOVE THE BULLET BUTTON WHILE ON BASE YOU HAVE VIOLATED STATE LAW AND IN TURN VIOLATE BASE ORDER. BEING ON BASE DOES NOT ABSOLVE YOU OF COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.

                        I HAVE ASKED PMO TO CALL ME IF AN UNEDUCATED MARINE TRIES TO REGISTER AN AK OR AR RIFLE WTHOUT THE COMPLIANCE DEVICE. I TOLD THEM I WOULD DROP WHAT I WAS DOING AND BRING A DEVICE AND INSTALL IT ON THE SPOT FOR THEM. THEY DECLINED, SAYING THATS NOT THEIR PROBLEM. THOUGH I WOULD LIKE THEM TO LET ME HELP THE MARINE, I CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR THEIR POSITION.
                        Last edited by HelmandHunter; 12-02-2012, 7:08 PM.
                        "I must study politics and war, that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." - John Adams

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                        • #13
                          themailman
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 2029

                          E,

                          good on you for putting this out there. I'd hate to see someone go through the mess you had to back on the float.

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                          • #14
                            HelmandHunter
                            Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 106

                            Hey what's up man. Mess is an understatement.
                            "I must study politics and war, that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy." - John Adams

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                            • #15
                              Librarian
                              Admin and Poltergeist
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 44646

                              Originally posted by HelmandHunter
                              STITCH,

                              I think NOVATOR was referring to this section regarding handguns. They do tell you that you must fill out a "HANDGUN OWNERSHIP REPORT" at the BOF website.

                              The base does not ask for proof of handgun registration with the state, but they do tell you that in order to comply with CA law that you must do this. We all know this to be incorrect, but I was unable to get them to change the policy. I am not a lawyer, and the lawyers on base are quick to remind you of that fact.
                              Jeebus - don't they read the law itself?
                              California Penal Code Section 17000
                              (a) As used in this part, until January 1, 2014, any
                              reference to the term "personal firearm importer" shall be deemed to
                              mean "personal handgun importer" and, on and after January 1, 2014,
                              any reference to the term "personal handgun importer" shall be deemed
                              to mean "personal firearm importer." A "personal handgun importer,"
                              until January 1, 2014, and commencing January 1, 2014, a "personal
                              firearm importer" means an individual who meets all of the following
                              criteria:
                              (1) The individual is not a person licensed pursuant to Article 1
                              (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with
                              Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of Division 6 of Title 4.
                              (2) The individual is not a licensed manufacturer of firearms
                              pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of
                              the United States Code.
                              (3) The individual is not a licensed importer of firearms pursuant
                              to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the
                              United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
                              (4) The individual is the owner of a firearm.
                              (5) The individual acquired that firearm outside of California.
                              (6) The individual moved into this state on or after January 1,
                              1998, in the case of a handgun, or in the case of a firearm that is
                              not a handgun, on or after January 1, 2014, as a resident of this
                              state.

                              (7) The individual intends to possess that handgun within this
                              state on or after January 1, 1998, or in the case of a firearm that
                              is not a handgun, he or she intends to possess that firearm within
                              this state on or after January 1, 2014.
                              (8) The firearm was not delivered to the individual by a person
                              licensed pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and
                              Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of Division 6
                              of Title 4, who delivered that firearm following the procedures set
                              forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700)
                              and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of
                              Division 6 of Title 4.
                              (9) The individual, while a resident of this state, had not
                              previously reported ownership of that firearm to the Department of
                              Justice in a manner prescribed by the department that included
                              information concerning the individual and a description of the
                              firearm.
                              (10) The firearm is not a firearm that is prohibited by any
                              provision listed in Section 16590.
                              (11) The firearm is not an assault weapon.
                              (12) The firearm is not a machinegun.
                              (13) The person is 18 years of age or older.
                              (14) The firearm is not a .50 BMG rifle.
                              (15) The firearm is not a destructive device.

                              (b) For purposes of paragraph (6) of subdivision (a):
                              (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), residency shall be
                              determined in the same manner as is the case for establishing
                              residency pursuant to Section 12505 of the Vehicle Code.
                              (2) In the case of a member of the Armed Forces of the United
                              States, residency shall be deemed to be established when the
                              individual was discharged from active service in this state.
                              Even non-lawyers get to read the Penal Code as written.
                              Last edited by Librarian; 12-03-2012, 7:21 PM.
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