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  • 11Bforme
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    • Mar 2010
    • 123

    The search for a M-4 Replacment

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    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/01/army-carbine-competition-details-released-021411w/ 
    Here we go again.... They might as well start testing lasers. I think the Halo guys should enter weapons. A needler and plasma canon im sure is accurate out to 500 meters.

    What do you think the Odds of them replacing the M-4 in the next 15 years are?
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    11Bforme
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    • Mar 2010
    • 123

    Replacement....Where were you there I phone?

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      Mr.Caketown
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      • Jan 2011
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      Originally posted by 11Bforme

      What do you think the Odds of them replacing the M-4 in the next 15 years are?
      Slim to none... the xm8 failed , the G11 failed , the SCAR , ACR & HK havent been picked up. IIRC they just spent some $$$ upgrading certain m4 and m16 platforms
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        Tacit Blue
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        • Feb 2009
        • 4134

        I heard that the Army was planing to upgrade m4's with a gas piston kit. As a cost effective upgrade. Just like Brian Davis mentioned.

        "The U.S. Army has begun delivering upgrade kits for its M4 carbines. The kits replace the barrel, receiver and auto-loading system with one that is easier to keep clean. There is also a heavier barrel and the ability to fire full automatic. There are also stronger rails on top of the barrel, for mounting scopes and such. The army is distributing at least 10,000 of these kits this year. The marines are not upgrading their M4s (which are mainly used by support troops.) Most elements (except for the piston loading system) were already incorporated by SOCOM (Special Operations Command) for their own M4s, which were then redesignated M4A1.
        This conversion kit addressed years of complaints about the M-4 and M-16 assault rifles. The M-4 is a short barrel M-16, and has become very popular with the troops. The army had asked the Department of Defense for permission to spend a few hundred million dollars on these upgrades for its 400,000 M-4 assault rifles. The main change was replacing the main portion of the rifle with a new component that contains a short stroke piston gas system (to reduce buildup of carbon inside the rifle) and a heavier (by 142 gr/five ounces) barrel (which reduces barrel failure from too much heat, which happens when several hundred rounds are fired within a few minutes.)

        Much of this goes back to the decades old argument about replacing the recoil system in the M-16 assault rifles, to make them more reliable and easier to clean. This came to a head (again) three years ago, when the army ran more tests on its M-4 rifle, involving dust and reliability. Four weapons were tested. The M4, the XM8, SCAR (Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle) and the H&K 416 (similar to the new M4 with the upgrade kit)."




        I don't think they'll fully switch over to another rifle for a sometime, that would mean changing out old contracts from Colt, KAC and current suppliers who have been faithfully making M16's since the Vietnam War. Not to mention the Armorers would have to receive additional training on a new weapon, which wouldn't go to main Infantry units first. They would be tested by SF, Delta, and other Operators since they can experiment with that type of weaponry. A 150-300$ gas pistol upgrade would solve all the issues with the M16/M4's that have made it prone to jamming and issues. Since it's a DI system. I think they'll just end up upgrading their inventory of rifles before anything else. The Military has plenty of spare parts for M16's/m4's; if a transition from those rifles were to happen. It would be in a phase.
        Last edited by Tacit Blue; 02-10-2011, 11:58 PM.
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