security clearance question

[Fspeed]

I'm looking into joining the army as a 19d. I need a security clearance. I did see a shrink in high school (that was ten years ago). I asked the recruiter if it mattered and he said it didn't, but I want to double check if that is true or not. Thanks.

[CavTrooper]

I'm looking into joining the army as a 19d. I need a security clearance. I did see a shrink in high school (that was ten years ago). I asked the recruiter if it mattered and he said it didn't, but I want to double check if that is true or not. Thanks.

Too little information to give you an answer.

Why did you see a shrink?

What type of shrink was it?

For how long?

Was is it voluntariy or no?

What was the end result?

Is there a medical record and can you access it?

[Matt C]

First off you may have seen a counselor or some such thing that was not a "health care professional".


Second, the following is what the SF 86 actually asks:

Mental health counseling in and of itself is not a reason to revoke or deny a clearance.

In the last 7 yearsfamily, grief not related to violence by you

You should be fine.

[themailman]

EKMS and Security Managment dudes find EVERYTHING.

[Fspeed]

Too little information to give you an answer.

Why did you see a shrink?

What type of shrink was it?

For how long?

Was is it voluntariy or no?

What was the end result?

Is there a medical record and can you access it?

I had anxiety issues. I would be become so worried I couldn't do anything. I was never hospitalized or commited, my parents saw what I was going through and made me go see someone. I think he was just a therapist, he quit to go become a psychologist to get more money, if I remember correctly. I went for about two years, but the last year I only saw him sparadically (maybe once a month). It was voluntary. When he quit doing it I quit seeing anyone. I will always be someone who worries a bit more than others, but I have learned to not let drive me crazy or effect my life.

As far as getting the records, I have no idea, my parents don't have that insurance anymore, and I know the dude I saw went back east, so I dunno what happened to the records.

[thebloodsonthewall]

I don't think you need a clearance as a 19d and if you do it is only a secret. Most of the guys in my platoon are 19d and only a small handful of them have clearances.

I had to get a secret for my MOS and it was very easy. The most important part was the credit check.

[themailman]

I wouldn't disclose it. They most likely won't find it and won't care.

[Tom Slick]

I wouldn't disclose it. They most likely won't find it and won't care.

+1

Side note: Does this anxiety ever flare up now? If so it'll show its ugly head when your off at school.

[Fspeed]

Thanks guys, it looks like the recruiter was wrong, I'd only need a confidental, however it looks like some of my medical issues (kidney stones) won't allow me to get in. I think my they're hoping I'll forget about it and go anyway, but I'll pass. Not worth the trouble. Mega bummer. Thanks again.

[9-12]

I wouldn't disclose it. They most likely won't find it and won't care.

Absolutely wrong. if you need a security clearance, they WILL find it. My recruiter told me the same lie and before I was out of boot, they had me under investigation for fraudulent enlistment. I beat it, but it took two years and I was on casual status (no favorable personnel action pending investigation) the whole time, stuck stateside, in limbo. It sucked, and all because my recruiter was a lazy *** who just didn't want to do the paperwork.
If you're facing a security clearance, don't hide anything! In most cases it can be handled by a waiver. If it can't and you get disqualified, so be it. It wasn't for you and It's better than going to Leavenworth. I was distinguished grad in tech school, never scored less than a 300 on a PT and had a 141 GT score. This ruined my military career, which was Army aviation. I was a 67T...crew chief on Blackhawks. In the end I was offered a general under honorable discharge and I took it because I was fed up with the whole thing by then. Almost three years wasted becuase of some lazy recruiter trying to fill his quota and 25yrs later it still chaps my ***.

[Arondos]

Yeah they won't find it...

I had been active duty for several years and my clearance had to be bumped. I get a call from one of my Dad's buddies that I worked for in high school wanting to know what the hell I was doing. Couple of NIS agents showed up asking questions.

Don't try to hide anything. Don't offer more than is asked for, but don't fail to disclose.

AND NEVER, NEVER, EVER trust the recruiter any more than you would a used car salesman!

[Fspeed]

Yeah they won't find it...

I had been active duty for several years and my clearance had to be bumped. I get a call from one of my Dad's buddies that I worked for in high school wanting to know what the hell I was doing. Couple of NIS agents showed up asking questions.

Don't try to hide anything. Don't offer more than is asked for, but don't fail to disclose.

AND NEVER, NEVER, EVER trust the recruiter any more than you would a used car salesman!

yep, I read stories like these and it helped me make up my mind. I wanted badly to get in, but its not worth becoming a felon.

[bollero]

As long as u don't have a
criminal record.
really bad credit.
ETC..
you should be fine to get a security clearence...

[zeprider25]

19deltas dont need security clearance. At least not to enlist they dont.

[Caliyanks]

Gotta love the "barracks Lawyers" Disclose, Don't disclose, thats up to you. Remember this folks. recruiters, for all braches, are agents for those Branches, not the Applicant. That means their job is to figure out why they shouldn't let you join or disqualify you. Sometimes Recruiters will tell an applicant things to say or not say. Right? Wrong? that depends on the people and the regulations involved. At the end of the day, the applicant is the one who goes thru the process of joining and signs their name on the dotted line. What you have to ask yourself is do you or don't you want in? Am I or Aren't I telling the truth? But, for Gods sakes, stop blaming recruiters for your problems or issues or shortcomings. Only you can compromise your Integrity. As for me, I joined at 17 with Ashma. I lied and hid it. 22 years later I retired with a great career and I'm a Combat Infantryman to boot. I made that choice for me and it worked out. Did my recruiter say "don't say anything, lets see how your physical comes out", you bet. And I will always be grateful to him for allowing me the opprtunity to serve my country. Say whatever you want, tell the truth, say nothing. But its your decision to make. By the way, no clearence needed for 19D other than a local for you, for now.