Active Duty purchasing long gun in California

[FCC_USN]

Good Evening!,
I'm a new member, and although i've routinely read thread after interesting thread in this incredibly valuable forum, I have yet to require posting, until tonight.

Several days ago, I purchased a long-gun from a Very Large chain outdoors sporting goods store in Rancho Cucamonga, CA, that shall remain nameless.

Background on myself, I've been active duty for a decade now. A California native and resident, i've always had my driver's license address as that of my home of record address (from which I enlisted all those years ago). My drivers license does not expire until 2011.

Now, being a forward thinker, i decided to bring a copy of my orders, as well as my military I.D. (which I always have on me anyway), as well as a copy of my cable bill (closest thing to a utility statement since I live in a mobile home park), a copy of my vehicle registration, which has my present address of the past 4 years, on the registration.

Now, per PC Section 12071, my MILITARY I.D. and a copy of my orders should satisfy the OR which does not require me to have a california I.D. in the first place to pass DROS.

All this said, and the "Chain Store" having copies of all of the information stated above, I was told today that I will require a brown piece of paper called a DMV form DL 43 change of address form. I was informed that although my DROS had come back no problem from the DOJ, that the "Chain" store managers wanted to see a printed and date stamped copy of the change of address DL 43 before they will allow me to pick up the rifle on Saturday.

It gets better,
I was told that SOME DMV's want to stamp them, and some don't, but that they "The Chain Store" want it stamped. They also informed me that "Some" DMVs will punch a hole in the address on the original I.D., making it void, so they "the chain" will not provide me my long-gun if that happens either. SO, i need to go to the DMV, get a DL 43, get them to stamp it, even if they don't want to, and make sure they don't hole punch it, even if they want to.

REALLY???

Question 1: If i meet the Military I.D. and Orders requirement, is the rest of this manure stated above even a valid point anymore, especially considering they "the chain" told me that DROS came back no problem.

Question 2: Dependant on the responses I get on question 1 above, do I have any legal recourse that tells these guys, "look, I paid my DROS, waited my ten days, passed security NO PROBLEM since i'm a good law abiding citizen, no per the letter of the law, HAND MY RIFLE!"?

Question 3: Do I really need the DL 43? If i can legally tell "the chain" to go pack sand because i've got my Official Department of Defense I.D. and my current military orders proving my California military residence, i'd like to avoid sitting in DMV for no particular reason other than some guy at "The Chain" wanted to be complicated.


Living outside San Diego, i've got a 100 mile drive to this "Chain" that I honestly used to enjoy going to visit every now and again, especially being an avid fisherman like myself, this place has been right up my alley *wink*

Hopefully I haven't come off too frustrated and/or made the scenario seem too complicated, but any and all inputs would be appreciated.

Thanks everybody!

Joe
San Diego, CA

[ke6guj]

you may want to cross-post this in the FFL forum, where you might be able to get more exposure from FFLs that deal with this with military customers.

That said, If it was me, and I was getting the runaround from Bass Pro, I'd call CADOJ to get their opinion on the matter.

As you mentioned, 12071 should cover you, and it is refered to in CADOJ's FAQ as well.

14.What identification is required for a person to purchase a firearm?
Clear evidence of identity and age is defined as a valid California driver's license or a valid California Identification Card issued by the DMV. Military identification is also acceptable if accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California, but the dealer must retain copies of both documents.

Temporary driver licenses and temporary identification cards (issued without photo) are not accepted forms of proof of identity and age.

(PC section 12071(c)(1))

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs.php#14G

[FCC_USN]

KE6GUJ,
Thanks for the reply. Do you think a moderator would mind re-posting this in a more relevant category? I'd hate to do a copy/paste re-post manuever and get the mod's all fired up at me on my first post here....haha.

Thanks,

Joe

[ke6guj]

I would think that it would not be an issue for you to just copy/paste it in the FFL forum. YOu are looking for info from 2 specific types of people, one would be .mil members in the same situation as you, and the other would be FFLs that have dealt with .mil members in your situation. And since there is a forum for each group, it shouldn't be that big a deal to cross-post it.

[Tweak338]

For a long gun purchase all you needed was your CA DL or CA ID

Sounds like they are just screwing with you.

[CavTrooper]

Go buy on Camp Pendelton. Better prices, no tax.

[socalshooting]

They are screwing with you. You don't even have to be a California resident to purchase a handgun if you're stationed here. Technically, you would be on "non-resident" status if you weren't a native californian. Regardless, all identification/address paperwork should've been done at the start of the DROS. Pickup should be to pickup with no hassles, 'cept maybe a safety demo at their discretion (which I've never had the pleasure of being required to do).

Next time, don't volunteer information. Only give them what's necessary like military ID and orders.

[6172crew]

I would think a quick call to the DOJ could help (DOJ and help in one sentence ?)

Tell them what happened and they might be able to call to store up for you and square them away.

[Call_me_Tom]

I've not purchased a long gun in California but I've purchased a pistol. I'm also a Cali resident, born and raised.

When I purchased a pistol I showed my DL (which only has a PO box), my military ID (that covered the weapons handling card or what ever it's called), and my vehicle registration.

I've been stationed off and on in Cali since the mid '90s and have registered vehicles to my current barracks, same goes for insurance.

It sounds like Bass Pro is screwing with you. I'd call Patricia with the Ca DOJ at 916-227-3680 and tell her what they are doing and asking for.

Usually in situations like this I ask for my money back and take my business else where. Rancho is too far of a drive to get hassled like this. I could understand if they were right around the corner from you and the next closest gun shop were 1.5 hours drive away...the opposite is true in your case.

[Endless]

Just read this. Ok this would all be true if you live in Oregon or Washington. Not so in California. They must be messing with you.

You will need the following in order to purchase any long rifle in Oregon and Washington if you happen to get stationed up there:

1) copy of your orders
2) proof of residence in Oregon/Washington (just a physical address if you're a California resident) LES will suffice...
3) Military ID

Oregon does a 20 minute State Police check and Washington does a 30 minute FBI check and you take the gun home the same day EVEN if you're a California resident on military orders.

[themailman]

Go buy on Camp Pendelton. Better prices, no tax.

Youre joking right?

Anyways, all you need is a current State ID, PCS orders, and mil ID.

[CavTrooper]

Youre joking right?

Anyways, all you need is a current State ID, PCS orders, and mil ID.

Why would I be joking?

[themailman]

Why would I be joking?

Mossberg 500 on base for over $400. XDs for $600

[CavTrooper]

Mossberg 500 on base for over $400. XDs for $600

Stevens 200s for 299 and a Taurus 38super for under 400.

May not get a deal on everything, but the things Ive seen were priced alot better than a regular gun spot.