Basic training attrition rates.

[professionalcoyotehunter]

I have seen many women who could easily go through Ranger school much easier than some of the recycles and pogs.

[tacticalcity]

More and more career fields are opening up to women. Expect that trend to continue. I was a Luke, AFB when the Air Force got its first female fighter pilot and got to meet her she was very cool, very smart, very pretty and very tough. Now there are a ton of them. Eventually there will be female Rangers, Special Forces, Combat Controllers, Pararescuemen, Recon Marines, Navy Seals and so on. It is just a matter of time. Not all women would be incapable of it, there are plenty of women that could do it...just not at as high a ratio as men.

It is more about politics than anything else. The fear is that if a woman is hopelessly wounded in combat, the other male soldiers would continue to try and save her even if it meant getting killed because they have been socialized to view women as someone they MUST protect no matter what. Additionally, America has a hard enough time backing a war when we see pictures of mortally wounded men on TV. The fear is that if CNN shows video of a woman with her legs blown off people will lose all support for the war, even if it is a worthwhile effort. We don't have the stomach for war as it is. So that one I buy more than the other arguments. Over time, political pressure to be more inclusive will override those fears.

[professionalcoyotehunter]

That is one of the many reasons.

[dwa]

There still are no women rangers.

well ya because women are not capable of doing all jobs, i had excellent air support provided by females and ive had crappy air support by guys. they are not capable of doing the more physical jobs, thats why theres 2 pt tests to make it less obvious to the uninformed the discrepancy.

[dwa]

I don't buy this. If the training isn't tougher than why don't I see females doing 12 milers...I've had friends in other services *cough* air force, who said they were woken up to nice peaceful music.....

i thought they had to do 12 milers just slower or something like that, i can remember but wasn't it something like 12 miles @ 15 min pace was the universal standard for rucking with combat arms and associates of course thinking it was a joke?

[professionalcoyotehunter]

There still are no women rangers.

[5hundo]

I don't buy this. If the training isn't tougher than why don't I see females doing 12 milers...I've had friends in other services *cough* air force, who said they were woken up to nice peaceful music.....

Yeah, I got woken up to "Battery" by Metallica one morning...

That's a lovely ballad...

Seriously...

...although, we did have lobster tails for dinner one night. I'll confess to that.

[tacticalcity]

I don't buy this. If the training isn't tougher than why don't I see females doing 12 milers...I've had friends in other services *cough* air force, who said they were woken up to nice peaceful music.....

Did you score too low on our ASVAB to get into the Air Force and have a little resentment you need to work out? Please, that is total nonsense. Your comment has ZERO basis in reality...just like my low ASVAB score comment about you probably has no basis in reality. Check the inter-service rivalry at the door. These kids need to know what to expect. If they join the Air Force expecting tea and crumpets in the morning they will wash out. You're not doing them any favors lying to them.

Basic was a giant mind game, and it wasn't an easy one. That said it was totally worth it.

For those of you considering joining the military...do it. No matter which branch of service you join, you won't regret it. You'll be proud of it for the rest of your life. You'll make friends you'll talk to for the rest of your life. I’ve been the best man at more military buddy’s weddings than I can count, and most long after we got out. You'll have really great stories you tell over and over again for the rest of your life. As much as I tease my buddies who were in other services, I totally respect and admire them for having served...and their experiences were as cool as or cooler than mine. None of my friends regretted having served, and that includes those who served in combat.

It won't be easy, but it won't be nearly as hard as you imagine it will be either. Basic training ends before you know it, and the rest of the military is NOTHING like basic training. At least, not in the Air Force. Never had anyone scream at me once I left basic training, and I consider many of the NCOs I served under close personal friends to this day. The Air Force has some pretty snazzy dorms (though for the first two years of my enlistment I never saw my dorm room because I was constantly traveling overseas). Most of the time you get your own room once you hit your first permanent duty station. Rarely are you required to share a dorm room anymore. My Dorm at Luke, AFB was as nice (only smaller) than most of the apartments I've lived in since. It made my college dorm room look like a dump. Oh, and comparatively speaking our chow halls are first rate. If you're lucky you'll get to travel somewhere cool. At the very least you will get out of your hometown. Odds are it will be the best time of your life.

Keep an open mind about what career field you’ll get, and where you’ll be stationed. No matter what your recruiter promises, those are extremely flexible. A computer makes the final decision, and the computer doesn’t give a damn what you want. Every job matters, and the better your ASVAB score the greater the chances you’ll get a good job that has a civilian counter part you would actually want to do…so study hard. I was supposed to work on A10 Warthogs, didn't happen. Your duty assignment is random, aside from the fact that they intentionally get you as far away from home as they can…when possible. So don’t expect to visit Mom on the weekends. Most people are allowed to PCS (transfer to a new duty station) upon completing their first four years, in my case I was transferred after being at McGuire for only two. So if you don't like your first duty station, don't worry...it is not forever.

If you have the chance to go to college first, and serve as an officer I recommend it. College ROTC will help, so do it. Those I know who earned a commission seemed to enjoy their time in the military more, and lot more of them chose to stay in for 20+ years than my friends who chose to enlist. If I had it to do over again that is how I would do it. Live and learn.

[4thSBCT]

Seriously, Basic Training is going to be hard no matter what service you join. All this talk about how much tougher one is over the other is mostly people's egos. Inter-service rivalry trumps reality every time. There are differences. I could barely keep my eyes open.

I don't buy this. If the training isn't tougher than why don't I see females doing 12 milers...I've had friends in other services *cough* air force, who said they were woken up to nice peaceful music.....

[dwa]

No. I thought it would be basic that the guys went through before the pc days and girls in army.

you went with a pog mos and were surprised when you had a pog basic. unless your 80 ill willing to bet there were women in the army before you went through.

[anthonyca]

you didn't think that basic for air conditioner guys to be like ranger school did you?

No. I thought it would be basic that the guys went through before the pc days and girls in army.

[cgseanp1]

Not really
prior service go thru a "bootcamp" but it isnt like the bootcamp non priors go thru

It's called pitstop, or at least that is what it was called. It was 2 or 4 weeks, can't remember exactly.

[usmcchet9296]

According to the Coast Gaurd recruiter I spoke with, anyone who joins will go through their boot camp/basic training regardless of thier prior service, does this mean that the Coast Guard is just as hard as the Marine Corps?

Not really
prior service go thru a "bootcamp" but it isnt like the bootcamp non priors go thru

[usmcchet9296]

So I guess if youre worried about basic training being too tough, you might wanna try the Marine Corps or the Air Force, seems that their basic training is the easiest to pass!

Ha ha fookin ha ha

[phroggunner]

ready your history the army has done more amphibious operations than the Marine Corps, the army has also done many joint operations so maybe you could drop the indoctrination crap?

No worries brother, just going tit for tat with the propaganda