Unconfigured Ad Widget

Collapse

Shocking injustice in the military - LONG

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • The Director
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2769

    Shocking injustice in the military - LONG

    So I'm a Hollywood director. That's no secret. I make action films.

    From a young age, I had a fascination with the military. Growing up in Canada, the military didn't offer the same "allure" as it did here; the force was chronically underfunded and disrespected. They did the best they could with what they had.

    I was a cadet in my teens (Princess Patricia's light horse - artillery). My dad hated me in it and the idea of the military in general.

    After I moved here I nursed this fantasy of becoming a reservist. Basic, I can handle. AIT, I can do. one weekend a month - no prob. Two weeks a year - okay. Deployment - quite impossible - it would cost tens of millions of dollars to reschedule one of my films. I'm saddened that at age 36 I may not ever get to serve in a military capacity. I'm surrounded by servicemen as consultants in my films.....my current one is a Marine scout sniper. That's the branch I'd have joined, with Army being a close second. Considering I have thousands of sea miles on my sailboat, you'd think I'd be navy...no way. Been at sea to long for that, LOL.

    Okay, Here's the injustice:

    I was looking into the pay given to active duty and reservists, just for kicks. My jaw dropped at how low the pay is. That's the shocking injustice.

    In any other industry, you can't hope to attract quality people if you pay jack squat, but in the military, you get great people, heroes who give their lives and get paid nothing for it.

    I know it's not about the money, but how can we treat our servicemen so poorly? How can we send them to get shot at and blown up and tack on "combat pay" at $225 per month??? It's unconscionable. It's awful. It's embarrassing and insulting to them. $225 barely buys a nice dinner for four in LA.

    The system is geared towards people in senior ranks who've been in for ten years or more to make what I would call okay money, but my feeling is that most people are in for ten years or less and never achieve a significant pay grade.

    Even if you factor in the signing bonus, the BAH, COLA, combat pay, etc, a serviceman is being paid pathetically little.

    I live ten miles from Camp Pendleton. I see Marines all the time. Chinooks and Blackhawks fly over my house all the time. I know how disgustingly expensive it is to live in socal, and I can't imagine how they do it.

    These guys need a raise. They need to be paid at least what an entry level cop might make, which is more than double what they make. They need an incentive to not jump ship to Blackwater and other firms.

    I salute the servicemen who toil silently while living on the edge of poverty. You guys don't deserve it, and next time I get a chance, I'm going to let somebody know about it. Funny I just had drinks with John Boehner, the republican house leader....had I been aware of this then I'd have said something. I'm sure the bulk of the American public doesn't realize this either.

    This goes beyond the old Roman cry of "To those who are about to die, we salute you."

    As a newly minted American myself, I say to all of you, I'm sorry. I'm sorry we're so goddamned cheap with you. And I also say thank you for your service, it is not lost on me. There are several of us in the Industry whom it is not lost upon either. Bruce Willis and Gary Sinise, go out of their way to support you, but this pay issue is really, really bad and I'm surprised it doesn't get more press.

    You have my admiration. And I'm going to do what I can to make sure something gets done about it.
  • #2
    CavTrooper
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2007
    • 5944

    Thanks for your concern.

    Thats the way its always been and thats the way it will always be.

    There are alot of benefits that are not apparent at first look, but if you consider the allowances, college money, experience and training among many other things, its not bad. You already know this, but we dont do it for the money.

    If you really feel the need to do something, being that youre a hollywood type, hook me up with Jessica Albas phone number and we will call it square!



    Comment

    • #3
      The Director
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2769

      Hey Cavtrooper,

      For sure, the benefits are there, education, experience, etc. And like I said, the money isn't the true motivator, but the disparity between corporate America and the military is so great.....

      Look at this excerpt:

      "Featured article: April 3-04-2003
      General Discussion
      American soldiers on the front lines in the Iraq war earn little more than a theater usher or crossing guard, according to a new survey of military pay. Front-line battle troops, mostly those who hold the rank of private and have been in the military about a year, earn less than $16,000 a year -- some of the lowest pay around, the Challenger, Gray and Christmas survey noted.

      At the other end of the spectrum, Gen. Tommy Franks, a 36-year Army vet leading the U.S. Central Command that's overseeing military action in Iraq, earns a base pay of $153,948 a year. That's about $12,829 a month."


      Wow. I know this is six years old, but not much has changed. Since you're a recruiter , I guess your pitch can't be focused on the cash or you'll never get anyone to join.

      As for Alba...sorry man, can't hook you up. Don't know her. Was at the same agency as her brother for a while.....plus.....she's a flaming liberal . You really gotta watch with the actresses as they are the most die hard liberals you'll ever meet in town.

      I nearly wretch every time I hear Olivia Wilde (who I know) spew her Obama garbage.

      Thanks again, man,

      Comment

      • #4
        CavTrooper
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2007
        • 5944

        I make it a point to let everyone know that they will never get rich in the Military, I show em the pay charts and let them see for themselves. Outside of the monetary benefits theres a whole lot of things you get to learn and do in the Military that you would never have the chance to do in the civilian sector. There are plenty of career fields that you cant hardly get into without the type of training you can only get in the Military.

        As for the liberal gals...

        This is Fleet week up in San Fran I belive... ya know how many uber liberal, anti-war, anti-Military, anti-everything hippie chicks are giving it up to Military guys this week?

        As much as they try, they just cant resist a hero in uniform!



        Comment

        • #5
          The Director
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2769

          Originally posted by CavTrooper
          I make it a point to let everyone know that they will never get rich in the Military, I show em the pay charts and let them see for themselves. Outside of the monetary benefits theres a whole lot of things you get to learn and do in the Military that you would never have the chance to do in the civilian sector. There are plenty of career fields that you cant hardly get into without the type of training you can only get in the Military.
          I think the parallel here is policemen, firefighters, border patrol, etc. They are also serving but are usually highly paid. I know you already agree with me, but how cool would it be if they could serve, learn, and make a decent buck too.

          Originally posted by CavTrooper
          As for the liberal gals...

          This is Fleet week up in San Fran I belive... ya know how many uber liberal, anti-war, anti-Military, anti-everything hippie chicks are giving it up to Military guys this week?

          As much as they try, they just cant resist a hero in uniform!



          Good for them!

          Comment

          • #6
            Trapper
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2007
            • 2159

            You are totally correct in regards to pay and retirement. After 20 years of service I receive 50% of my base pay, which amounts to less than $20,000 a year + medical and educational benefits. An officer with SDPD earns 3% per year and would retire at 25 years with over $50,000 per year.
            When the battle drum beats, it is too late to sharpen your sword."
            Sir Winston Churchill

            Comment

            • #7
              socaldsal
              Member
              • May 2009
              • 430

              Thanks for your appreciation of our service. The money is ok, sometimes it gets hard, but I've been able to do plenty of things that most folks would never get to do, know more about my own limits than Joe Everyday does, and see places I only read about as a kid.

              As far as females in Hollywood being the biggest zombiepatch, they ain't gonna be ogled at for my own romantic fulfillment. If you can convince Portman and Alba(find out her agents #) to do a one on one scene that's interrupted and then joined by none other than Beckinsale in a movie that pushes the R/X barrier, you will have my deepest and sincerest sense of awe. The best piece of ash I got was off a strict vegetarian that hated guns and made it a point to tell me that she normally hates my type, it was funny.
              "There can be no tyrants where there are no slaves." - Jose Rizal
              "Amateurs talk tactics, professionals study logistics."

              Comment

              • #8
                haiedras
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 556

                +1 to Cavtrooper's comments, but compared to the pay rates back in the 90s, it IS a little better. There have been targeted pay raises for the non-commissioned officer ranks that were intended to lower the civilian-military pay gap, and last I checked, we're still getting an annual 4% pay raise.

                Princess Pat's eh? I met a colonel from Princess Patricia's light brigade years ago at a friend's wedding. Fabulous man, made drinking in the middle of no-where Missouri fun.

                Well...as they say, it IS an all-volunteer force, and good, bad, or ugly, we all signed the dotted line.

                Comment

                • #9
                  JerryM
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 785

                  Thanks Director,

                  It is nice to hear this from the other side.

                  (^_^).

                  "If guns kill people, can I blame my spelling errors on my pencil?"

                  Comment

                  • #10
                    kermit315
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 5928

                    Thanks for the concern, I know I appreciate it, as will the other vets here.

                    There is a disparity, but for most of us it goes beyond the money and into love of the job.

                    Comment

                    • #11
                      Fjold
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 22904

                      I just received my social security statement.

                      I went into the military in 1977. I was an E-5 1978 and an E-6 in 1981, I received sea pay, hazardous duty pay, etc. (In 1980 Wifezilla had triplets so I raised 4 children on military pay)

                      My total social security wages during the time were:

                      1978 - $5,892
                      1979 - $6,803
                      1980 - $7,808
                      1981 - $9,395
                      1982 - $12,677 (God bless Ronald Reagan for the pay raise)
                      1983 - $12,621
                      1984 - $13,276
                      1985 - $14,261
                      1986 - $14,742
                      1987 - $15,566
                      1988 - $11,952 (lost my sea pay and hazardous duty pay due to medical limited duty)
                      Last edited by Fjold; 10-08-2009, 8:44 AM.
                      Frank

                      One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




                      Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF

                      Comment

                      • #12
                        The Director
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2769

                        Damn. My hat's off to you guys.

                        Funny thing is I dug up an old article discussing anger at army pay....I was about to post it until I saw the date...1965!

                        So I guess this isn't a new topic. I'm still hopeful that we can draw some more light to this topic.

                        It just ain't right.

                        Comment

                        • #13
                          Requiem
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 1725

                          Yeah that $200 and some-odd a month really kicks me in the nuts. But it makes sense when I only do it two days a month I suppose.
                          .

                          Comment

                          • #14
                            POLICESTATE
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 18185

                            Even though the pay is lousy, you figure you go in for a few years, get lots of OTJ training and experience (assuming you see some combat) and then hire on with Blackwater or another merc group for $$$. It's kind of like going to college, except you get paid (even though it's very little) and you come out without any educational debt.

                            Too bad I'm too old now. Should have signed up back in '90
                            -POLICESTATE,
                            In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


                            sigpic


                            Government Official Lies
                            . F r e e d o m . D i e s .

                            Comment

                            • #15
                              The Director
                              Veteran Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2769

                              Originally posted by POLICESTATE
                              Even though the pay is lousy, you figure you go in for a few years, get lots of OTJ training and experience (assuming you see some combat) and then hire on with Blackwater or another merc group for $$$. It's kind of like going to college, except you get paid (even though it's very little) and you come out without any educational debt.

                              Too bad I'm too old now. Should have signed up back in '90
                              I suppose. Still, being somewhat of a businessman myself it just seems like an unsustainable model. And to trade that to go be a mercenary (because that's basically what it is) seems to be giving up the glory of service. Why can't they have both?

                              I still may join the reserves. Who knows. I've got 6 years to decide, I guess. What's funny is that I could probably go to basic and AIT without actually enlisting. DoD embeds people in this all the time.

                              An actor I frequently use was in Tears of the Sun, a Bruce Willis film. They trained him for three weeks at Benning with the 75th Rangers - right along side them - simply for a movie role. Wow.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              UA-8071174-1