Army suspends IV training?

[oldschool88]

Hey I was wondering if anyone had heard of this? If it is suspended then what would the combat lifesaver course consist of? I will be in basic while this is going on.

http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/09/01/26834-army-to-assess-revise-combat-lifesaver-training/

[Wango Tango]

At least your buddy won't be sitting there sticking you 20 times trying to get the iv right.

[D53]

At least your buddy won't be sitting there sticking you 20 times trying to get the iv right.

they only stick you once, if the dont hit the vien they have to "fish" for it under your skin. I had KATUSA ( Korean Augumentated in The US Army) fish for mine for for about 20 seconds.

[KUJO]

In most basic or ait classes you wont go through a real CLS class, you may do a live stick but its not a real CLS class.


And I am not sure when they will actually stop the IV training, I beleive it was going into effect on the 1st of September but a few days after the 1st my company went through the course and 70% of the course is still IV training.

[greyhd]

We used to always get our practice by sticking the drunks in our barracks to sober them up for next morning formation.

I had been on both sides of that needle...

[Wango Tango]

I went through the course on and I didn't get stuck just once by my ham-fisted partner

[Soldier415]

I havent heard anything about this. Over here we are all CLS qualified with at least 2 Advanced CLS in each squad.

IVs are the best hangover cures

[kmoney168]

We used to always get our practice by sticking the drunks in our barracks to sober them up for next morning formation.

I had been on both sides of that needle...

same here, good times.

[odysseus]

IVs are the best hangover cures

Are you helping yourself to some saline?

[thebloodsonthewall]

I just went through basic and we did it. I got stuck more then one time. My battle buddy got nervous and messed it all up. I thought it was pretty funny. It is pretty easy to do but it hurts pretty good if your battle buddy messes up. My whole company got CLS certified and combatives level 1.

Speaking of combatives, we have combatives in a couple hours for PT. We get to beat each other up for an hour and a half.

[Army GI]

I havent heard anything about this. Over here we are all CLS qualified with at least 2 Advanced CLS in each squad.

IVs are the best hangover cures

What exactly do they teach those CLS guys? The IV was basically the most advanced thing we learned as medics, and we go through a 4 month AIT. If it's anything like I think it is, I wonder why we're not obsolete.

[ReconDoc242]

They are moving away from the IV because of reduced medevac times and the amount of time it takes to train it. The need to maintain a casualty from going in hypovolemic shock is going to get more focus then the actual treatment of hypovolemic shock.....
plus IO is replacing the IV in the field in the SOCOM communities, and I assume that this trend will move toward the line companies soon.

[pmrtruck]

Am I mistaken but isn't a preventative measure better than a maintenance measure?
Isn't the point of IV's to provide fluid into a body which is hemorrhaging thereby maintaining the bodies ability to continue to function, at a core level, at least until intensive medical services are available?
Without this infusion of fluids, a body which is only moderately bleeding, can attain a shock level very quickly.

What am I missing...

BHO takes forever to make-up his mind on sending support troops to our brothers in Afghanistan and now we have new Regulations which would indicate that immediate first-aid is going to be reduced?

Help me here, I am oh so medically challenged but what else can I think? What is IO?

I am glad to hear this training is still continuing

[CSDGuy]

They are moving away from the IV because of reduced medevac times and the amount of time it takes to train it. The need to maintain a casualty from going in hypovolemic shock is going to get more focus then the actual treatment of hypovolemic shock.....
plus IO is replacing the IV in the field in the SOCOM communities, and I assume that this trend will move toward the line companies soon.

Basically, what they're finding is that the BASIC stuff works. As to the IO, it's major thing is that while the flow rates are lower than that of an IV line, they're easier to place.

Am I mistaken but isn't a preventative measure better than a maintenance measure?
Isn't the point of IV's to provide fluid into a body which is hemorrhaging thereby maintaining the bodies ability to continue to function, at a core level, at least until intensive medical services are available?
Without this infusion of fluids, a body which is only moderately bleeding, can attain a shock level very quickly.

What am I missing...

BHO takes forever to make-up his mind on sending support troops to our brothers in Afghanistan and now we have new Regulations which would indicate that immediate first-aid is going to be reduced?

Help me here, I am oh so medically challenged but what else can I think? What is IO?

I am glad to hear this training is still continuing

Stop the bleeding and things will stabilize. Add fluids inappropriately and you "pop the clot" which worsens bleeding. The only fluid that replaces O2 carrying capacity is blood... which you normally don't get in the field, and adding any other fluid only dilutes the blood. You don't want the fluids to drop too low either.

This is where a good Trauma Course comes into play. (PHTLS/ITLS/TNCC/ATLS)

[pmrtruck]

Huh...Thanks. I wasn't aware of throwing clots. The dilution yes...