Another Army vs Marine observation...

[superdave50]

I still find myself carrying items mainly with my left hand. I also hated the subdued insignia, so hard to differentiate at a safe distance

[Bobby Ricigliano]

While in school AIT at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, I got caught with my hands in my pockets.
I had to carry two bricks around all day, so my hands would not fit in my pockets.
Never did it again.

The first words I heard out of the Drill Sergeant's mouth in AIT were "I hate privates.." And here I thought I was in the clear after graduating BCT.... We got smoked almost daily there too.

[Atomic Donut]

Im obviously in the minority here and from a different era then some of you but I never understood the big deal about walking while drinking or hands in pockets. As long as you stand tall and make proper salutes at the proper times i never had a problem with it. Wrinkled/sloppy uniforms are a different story. Although the units I was a part of did not always wear your standard uniforms or layouts and we called each other by first name basis.

[farmerjoe]

My only active duty exposure to the Army was with a couple of infantry companies out of Ft Ord in the early 80's. We did Amphi Ops off Monterey, old school. Cargo nets and LVCP's.

They had no gear. None. We expected to do helo ops, but they canceled. I guess no one wanted to try to land a Huey on a ship.

Damnedest thing, they formed a human chain on the cargo nets and started passing weapons down. Got pissed because the boat crews wouldn't take their M16's/M60's as they got to the bottom. Working with Marines, one automatically becomes suspect when someone shoves a rifle in your face and says "Hold This". *F-That, it's a trap. People don't just give up a rifle without a fight* I couldn't believe their NCO's/SNOC's were cool with that. Most of their JO's were beyond clueless

[jcourson]

Although the units I was a part of did not always wear your standard uniforms or layouts and we called each other by first name basis.

Soooo...the airforce then?

[Atomic Donut]

Soooo...the airforce then?

Yes, units assigned were joint though, which included Marines

[BajaJames83]

Usually when someone or something have to constantly talk about how good they are, they are compensating for something. Inferiority complex, maybe.

The truth is the majority of the ground fighting is/was/always will be done by the Army.

Just look at the Medal of Honors awarded from the 1990's to current.

Army-14
Navy-3
Marines-3

Go back to whatever major conflict we've had and the numbers will be similar. The MOH is not approved by your branch of service but by a panel consisting of all branches.

Why does the Army have so many more recipients, because they do most of the fighting. Some talk, some do.

I'm sure personnel size has nothing to do with it..
army: 476k
Navy: 327k
Marines: 182k

[AregularGuy]

No, I get it, there's time where its man to man, lets be chill and not worry about the rank or uniform.

But damn these freaking nasty sorry ***** excuses for soldiers are being huge walking piles of crap. Audie Murphy would be turning over in his grave if he saw this bull being committed. I miss being in with active duty guys....

While I am relatively green I still try to maintain my military bearing. I agree with you that standards should be upheld regardless of branch, active, or, reserve.

During our recent AT we had the supply specialist staying with us in our tent. People would come in periodically during the day to check in or retrieve their weapons. People would nonchalantly hand over an m16, muzzle sweeping half of the tent. Granted, these had blank adapters on the ends and no magazines. I had to ask/remind the supply specialist to have people clear their rifle and lock the bolt back before handing it over. Being new I had to ask if that was the propper protocol when turning in a weapon (it's what I do if handing a weapon to anyone). To which he replied affirmative. I asked why he was not requiring them to do so. He had no answer.
He also locked to bolt back when handing the rifle back to the soldiers when they came to pick them up. There were several that dropped the bolt while the muzzle was pointed at the head of the soldier next to them. If no one holds them to standards in practice how will they be expected to perform when it counts?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Soooo...the airforce then?

I see what you did there.....

[SloChicken]

Funny as can be, but some bad words no nudity or anything, but NSFW depending on where you work.

[2761377]

while presuming you all have seen this pic, I believe this thread needs it.

[BillyGoatCrawler]

I'm sure personnel size has nothing to do with it..
army: 476k
Navy: 327k
Marines: 182k

Basic math, Marine. The Army is still awarded approx 50% more MOHs per Soldier/Marine.

[Snoopy47]

It's not good having an E7 chewing you out for not saluting an officer.

Officers might be at fault for not doing it themselves more. I think generally most of us don't want to exercise that "ego complex". There are those that do go out of their way to remind you they out rank you though.

I complain a lot about my unit's lack of bearing, and in a few months I'll find myself company commander of 150 of them, and it will be on my shoulders to improve that.

Our annual ASU (fancy blue uniform) inspection looks like a "stolen valor convention".

The 1SG was wearing the Navy version of the Commendation medal ribbon (obviously ordered the wrong one, and didn't know any better). She was never Navy. She also forgot her beret.

A SGT had sewn on stripes from the old GREEN uniform (gold on green).

The CO himself has mixed branch colors (his cuff doesn't match his shoulders). His branch insignia were mismatched. One was pointed at the 3 o'clock position, the other at the 12 o'clock. He also had the 3 year diagonal stripes on his cuff (only enlisted wear these, and he was never enlisted, and if you were they still have to come off).

A 1LT who got all bent out of shape over various things going wrong within the company and rubbed his rank in the NCO corps faces ended up showing up without rank on his beret. Then he didn't conform his shoulder boards to his shoulders. So they were as flat as boards. He wore his beret with the flash (w/o rank) in the center of his forehead (not over the left eye). Then to top if off only had two ribbons (the rainbow, and defense ribbon).

A Platoon SGT showed up with his ribbon rack on UPSIDE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are the ones that come to mind. Lord knows how many would be out of compliance if a ruler was pulled out.

I am starting to understand the ROTC officers. They end up skipping Basic Training, don't go to OCS, and are never exposed to the correct way to set up a uniform.

However, every enlisted soldier gets out of Basic and AIT having a correct uniform. The ONLY thing they would be missing for a correct uniform is the Distinct Unit Insignia.

Soooooooooooo, I've lowered my expectations.

I'll be happy with "a correct" uniform. They don't have to have everything on there, but what they have on there has to be correct. In as much as it at least looks like a complete uniform (name, rank, unit insignia, branch/US insignia, and at least the rainbow, and defense ribbon).

[Ugly Hombre]

That female AF Col....

Is classic..

[mikenewgun87]

Officers might be at fault for not doing it themselves more. I think generally most of us don't want to exercise that "ego complex". There are those that do go out of their way to remind you they out rank you though.

I complain a lot about my unit's lack of bearing, and in a few months I'll find myself company commander of 150 of them, and it will be on my shoulders to improve that.

Our annual ASU (fancy blue uniform) inspection looks like a "stolen valor convention".

The 1SG was wearing the Navy version of the Commendation medal ribbon (obviously ordered the wrong one, and didn't know any better). She was never Navy. She also forgot her beret.

A SGT had sewn on stripes from the old GREEN uniform (gold on green).

The CO himself has mixed branch colors (his cuff doesn't match his shoulders). His branch insignia were mismatched. One was pointed at the 3 o'clock position, the other at the 12 o'clock. He also had the 3 year diagonal stripes on his cuff (only enlisted wear these, and he was never enlisted, and if you were they still have to come off).

A 1LT who got all bent out of shape over various things going wrong within the company and rubbed his rank in the NCO corps faces ended up showing up without rank on his beret. Then he didn't conform his shoulder boards to his shoulders. So they were as flat as boards. He wore his beret with the flash (w/o rank) in the center of his forehead (not over the left eye). Then to top if off only had two ribbons (the rainbow, and defense ribbon).

A Platoon SGT showed up with his ribbon rack on UPSIDE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are the ones that come to mind. Lord knows how many would be out of compliance if a ruler was pulled out.

I am starting to understand the ROTC officers. They end up skipping Basic Training, don't go to OCS, and are never exposed to the correct way to set up a uniform.

However, every enlisted soldier gets out of Basic and AIT having a correct uniform. The ONLY thing they would be missing for a correct uniform is the Distinct Unit Insignia.

Soooooooooooo, I've lowered my expectations.

I'll be happy with "a correct" uniform. They don't have to have everything on there, but what they have on there has to be correct. In as much as it at least looks like a complete uniform (name, rank, unit insignia, branch/US insignia, and at least the rainbow, and defense ribbon).

Sheesh, I'd probably have a heart attack....