CRPA stand on AB 357?

[Can'thavenuthingood]

Mr. Weller
This morning I got in on the AB 357 thread and I'm thinking we ought to encourage and help Mr. Knight with this Bill.

In the thread there has been a few naysayers and it won't get out of committee. A number of Calgunners think we ought to do all we can and push hard regardless of other gun organizations.

Has the CRPA looked at this AB357 yet and made a determination as far as what action to take?

Thanks,

Vick

[wildhawker]

Keeping this alive- CRPA members and officers, your thoughts?

This is a fantastic issue for which to rally the troops, wouldn't you think?

[Can'thavenuthingood]

We are rally'ed, I was just wondering if they were coming with us.

Vick

[hoffmang]

I'm on the leg policy committee as of the time after their last meeting. They can't take a stand on it yet because the sorting of the bills isn't done yet. I do know that CRPA plans to support a package of CCW reforms.

Purely speculating as myself I expect the answer is that they're not opposed and will likely support once everyone figures out which bill/arrow the wood should be put behind.

-Gene

[Can'thavenuthingood]

Okay, Thanks Gene.

Vick

[Mstrty]

I do know that CRPA plans to support a package of CCW reforms.

-Gene

What the ... CRPA doesnt know if it will back AB357.... Im at a loss... Im new to CRPA and guess I dont understand the politics of advocacy..

[wildhawker]

What the ... CRPA doesnt know if it will back AB357.... Im at a loss... Im new to CRPA and guess I dont understand the politics of advocacy..

I think Gene's point was that although CRPA has not yet officially gotten behind AB 357, once they have had a chance to review the field they will decide the slate of bills to support and oppose based on current strategy and the big picture. In other words, hang tight for the official position statement but nothing in AB 357 currently strikes them as bad policy ("...not opposed...will likely support...").

[Mstrty]

I guess I am a shoot from the hip kinda guy. I will sit back and let the powers that be evaluate the bill.

[7x57]

What the ... CRPA doesnt know if it will back AB357.... Im at a loss... Im new to CRPA and guess I dont understand the politics of advocacy..

What if there is another CCW bill in the pipe that looks better overall? What if after some consideration AB357 looks like a sure loser, however nice it might be if it wins, and putting effort behind it would use up resources that could be put behind another bill that has a chance? And it seems unlikely, but what if one of the Right People points out a serious unintended consequence of the bill?

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Give the realpolitik strategists a chance to try to figure out not only what is good and what is possible, but what offers the best chance of overall improvement and what doesn't involve any unacceptable dangers. Remember, pro-gunners "shooting from the hip" has often gotten us in more legal trouble than the anti-gunners. We have extremely good legal advice now, unlike the case with most of the bad legal precedents we labor under. Let's give them time to look at the final slate of bills and give us expert advice, and then let the board weigh the benefits and consequences against the money available.

It's a marathon, not a sprint. I want to win later, not feel good now.

7x57

[Mstrty]

What if there is another CCW bill in the pipe that looks better overall? What if after some consideration AB357 looks like a sure loser, however nice it might be if it wins, and putting effort behind it would use up resources that could be put behind another bill that has a chance? And it seems unlikely, but what if one of the Right People points out a serious unintended consequence of the bill?

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Give the realpolitik strategists a chance to try to figure out not only what is good and what is possible, but what offers the best chance of overall improvement and what doesn't involve any unacceptable dangers. Remember, pro-gunners "shooting from the hip" has often gotten us in more legal trouble than the anti-gunners. We have extremely good legal advice now, unlike the case with most of the bad legal precedents we labor under. Let's give them time to look at the final slate of bills and give us expert advice, and then let the board weigh the benefits and consequences against the money available.

It's a marathon, not a sprint. I want to win later, not feel good now.

7x57

Well put. I guess I let my emotions run amuck when I hear of an opportunity to be a "shall issue" state I want to hark hallelujah. With the mere thought that CRPA might bach at an opportunity to endorse AB357 was simply my ignorant rush to judgment.

[hoffmang]

What I know I can say is that CRPA is very much for shall issue CCW.

-Gene

[rweller]

Mr. Weller
This morning I got in on the AB 357 thread and I'm thinking we ought to encourage and help Mr. Knight with this Bill.

In the thread there has been a few naysayers and it won't get out of committee. A number of Calgunners think we ought to do all we can and push hard regardless of other gun organizations.

Has the CRPA looked at this AB357 yet and made a determination as far as what action to take?

Thanks,

Vick

Vick,

The CRPA position on this bill is that we support it based on our review of it during the legislative session of our last board meeting. I'm going from memory, but as I understand the bill as it was written a couple of weeks ago, it will require local law enforcement to issue a CCW when good cause exists. Now, they don't have to issue a CCW regardless of your reason. And, even if the bill passes, some question exists as to whether they will anyway. This we do know. There are counties in California where NO CCW has been issued. That's unacceptable.

[Can'thavenuthingood]

Vick,

The CRPA position on this bill is that we support it based on our review of it during the legislative session of our last board meeting. I'm going from memory, but as I understand the bill as it was written a couple of weeks ago, it will require local law enforcement to issue a CCW when good cause exists. Now, they don't have to issue a CCW regardless of your reason. And, even if the bill passes, some question exists as to whether they will anyway. This we do know. There are counties in California where NO CCW has been issued. That's unacceptable.

Regarding the question of whether they will or not issue if the Bill passes, this is not a valid reason for non support. In fact the statement implies more of what we have been getting through the years up to now.

Even if the Bill passes it will still be a step forward as well as a legal avenue to enforcement. If someone is denied under Shall Issue there has to be a good reason. Inaction by the Sheriff could also be cause for legal action by the individual making the request.

As far as counties where no CCW's have been issued, it seems a moot point in the current context. The counties are complying IAW the law as written, in the final analysis, its their choice. We must repair this where they have no choice but to issue or present the requester with a damn good reason for non issuance or face consequences.

Right now they ride in the gray lane.

Vick

[Flintlock Tom]

Vick,

The CRPA position on this bill is that we support it based on our review of it during the legislative session of our last board meeting. I'm going from memory, but as I understand the bill as it was written a couple of weeks ago, it will require local law enforcement to issue a CCW when good cause exists. Now, they don't have to issue a CCW regardless of your reason. And, even if the bill passes, some question exists as to whether they will anyway. This we do know. There are counties in California where NO CCW has been issued. That's unacceptable.

I believe you're mistaken about this. AB 357 would completely remove the "good cause" issue completely.

[Mstrty]

I believe you're mistaken about this. AB 357 would completely remove the "good cause" issue completely.

Thats what I thought when I originally questioned why CRPA was unsure if it would "back it"

What the ... CRPA doesnt know if it will back AB357.... Im at a loss... Im new to CRPA and guess I dont understand...

I'm on the leg policy committee as of the time after their last meeting. They can't take a stand on it yet because the sorting of the bills isn't done yet. I do know that CRPA plans to support a package of CCW reforms.

-Gene