Behold the people the libs want in control of all guns

[ja308]

Its unusual for the " Washington Post " to investigate and write story's such as this tragic and disgusting event .

Many of us are used to hearing about these murder by mistake raids though sources that report via the gun culture .

Maybe this story will get some attention and the boys with their toys group will be charged with some serious felonys .

[rootuser]

Its unusual for the " Washington Post " to investigate and write story's such as this tragic and disgusting event .

Many of us are used to hearing about these murder by mistake raids though sources that report via the gun culture .

Maybe this story will get some attention and the boys with their toys group will be charged with some serious felonys .

Deja vu here I wrote to you about this before, re-read, re-investigate the Washington Post, they have been making a steady march right since 2007/08. This is far from unusual for them (since 2007 that is). Sure, if you're stuck in the 90s or earlier, yes, it is a liberal rag, but if you are up to date, it is fairly conservative on a lot of issues. You know they are doing something right when BOTH sides are pissed at them.

My biggest shock here is that isn't Georgia a red state? It has had a Republican governor for at least 10 years IIRC, both the houses in the state are overwhelmingly republican, both their U.S. Senators are Republican, the vast majority of the U.S. congressional seats are Republican (9 or 10 I think) and I think almost every state office is held by a republican. This state is deep red. How could this happen?

The republicans can put a stop to this kind of thing in Georgia, immediately. This was 100% a Georgia issue. The Sheriff is a Republican. I don't know if the magistrate was a Republican or not.

The conservatives can and should fix this immediately. They can begin by a state take over of the out of control sheriffs department. They can then dissolve the department and start over. They can call in the fed if they are so concerned.

I agree with the original post, this is who the liberals want to control our guns: The conservatives that will shoot the sh*t out of you. Funny how corrupt our government is on both sides of the fence. All the 2A in the world did not save that poor guy when the conservative law enforcement community of the conservative state of Georgia busted in his door and straight up murdered him.

Kid yourself not, this is a conservative problem in Georgia that the conservatives are not willing to fix, and the liberals are hoping to emulate around the country but haven't figure out how to do quite yet.


P.S. This is a failure of the government in Georgia, not the police. The police assumed they were walking in to a meth dealers house, I'd piss myself if I had to do that (ok maybe not but I'd be scared too). The issue was they were told to do it. The police should have NEVER been there. The failure belongs to the government and thus the people of state of Georgia. Don't give the police departments the power to do this. Don't give them the orders to bust into people's houses. If they go off and do it anyway, THEN hold them responsible.

[MeatyMac]

Prove it.

I'm glad you asked, here you go...

"WASHINGTON (AP 10/9/2014) - A D.C. councilmember says city police officers "shouldn't have guns."

Independent Councilmember David Grosso made his comments Wednesday night at a hearing on the use of stop-and-frisk and other tactics by District of Columbia police.

Grosso said his staff has urged him not to express the opinion, but nonetheless, he said, "I think we ought to get rid of guns in the city and that police shouldn't have guns."

Democratic Councilmember Tommy Wells pointed out that some police officers in other countries don't carry deadly weapons.

The hearing included testimony from residents who said they had been subjected to aggressive police tactics. Wells said he held the hearing in part because of high-profile incidents including the shooting of an unarmed teenager by police in Ferguson, Missouri."

Here's the story http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/10...s--107937.html

[rootuser]

I'm glad you asked, here you go...

"WASHINGTON (AP 10/9/2014) - A D.C. councilmember says city police officers "shouldn't have guns."

Independent Councilmember David Grosso made his comments Wednesday night at a hearing on the use of stop-and-frisk and other tactics by District of Columbia police.

Grosso said his staff has urged him not to express the opinion, but nonetheless, he said, "I think we ought to get rid of guns in the city and that police shouldn't have guns."

Democratic Councilmember Tommy Wells pointed out that some police officers in other countries don't carry deadly weapons.

The hearing included testimony from residents who said they had been subjected to aggressive police tactics. Wells said he held the hearing in part because of high-profile incidents including the shooting of an unarmed teenager by police in Ferguson, Missouri."

Here's the story http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/10...s--107937.html

One guy pissing up a rope. Most Americans want the police to have guns. I am one of them. No need to disarm the police, let's not get stupid. Giving them military weaponry, over the line. Giving them the tools they really do need to deal with the issues they face, completely behind it.

Finding out you killed an innocent man on a bad tip? Let's investigate. See what happened. If the homeowner pointed a gun and police responded, then its just a tragic accident, and probably the magistrate, lawyers and informant should be brought up on charges. Police did nothing wrong.

If the homeowner didn't point a gun or was shot behind a wall or some of the other claims, you find who discharged their weapons, hold them all for murder in the 1st, and then let the law go where it will from there. Dunno if GA has the death penalty or not. The police did do wrong if they just shot him.

Chances are, truth is somewhere in the middle. Police didn't announce their warrant, the guy pointed his gun thinking it was the burglars, the police shot him presuming they were shooting this guy in self defense. The leaders of the police raid must be held responsible for criminal negligence and endangerment as they sent those officers in to a no win situation.

Either way, the deep red republican state of Georgia can stop this at any given time. They have all the power to put this to an end immediately. I am willing to bet the republicans will sit on their hands and do nothing.

[ja308]

Deja vu here I wrote to you about this before, re-read, re-investigate the Washington Post, they have been making a steady march right since 2007/08. This is far from unusual for them (since 2007 that is). Sure, if you're stuck in the 90s or earlier, yes, it is a liberal rag, but if you are up to date, it is fairly conservative on a lot of issues. You know they are doing something right when BOTH sides are pissed at them.

My biggest shock here is that isn't Georgia a red state? It has had a Republican governor for at least 10 years IIRC, both the houses in the state are overwhelmingly republican, both their U.S. Senators are Republican, the vast majority of the U.S. congressional seats are Republican (9 or 10 I think) and I think almost every state office is held by a republican. This state is deep red. How could this happen?

The republicans can put a stop to this kind of thing in Georgia, immediately. This was 100% a Georgia issue. The Sheriff is a Republican. I don't know if the magistrate was a Republican or not.

The conservatives can and should fix this immediately. They can begin by a state take over of the out of control sheriffs department. They can then dissolve the department and start over. They can call in the fed if they are so concerned.

I agree with the original post, this is who the liberals want to control our guns: The conservatives that will shoot the sh*t out of you. Funny how corrupt our government is on both sides of the fence. All the 2A in the world did not save that poor guy when the conservative law enforcement community of the conservative state of Georgia busted in his door and straight up murdered him.

Kid yourself not, this is a conservative problem in Georgia that the conservatives are not willing to fix, and the liberals are hoping to emulate around the country but haven't figure out how to do quite yet.


P.S. This is a failure of the government in Georgia, not the police. The police assumed they were walking in to a meth dealers house, I'd piss myself if I had to do that (ok maybe not but I'd be scared too). The issue was they were told to do it. The police should have NEVER been there. The failure belongs to the government and thus the people of state of Georgia. Don't give the police departments the power to do this. Don't give them the orders to bust into people's houses. If they go off and do it anyway, THEN hold them responsible.

I'm thinking the Washington Post could be influenced by its new owner Jeff Bezos. I think everyone will agree, Jeff Bezos knows how to please consumers .

I'm hoping Georgia politicians will address this problem. Then again who knows what considerations are on the table. Democrat California never really addressed the cold blooded murder of Scott paper heir Don Scott despite having a hero DA investigate and condemn this murder for land scheme.

Its time LEOs on every level are held accountable for these off hours raids and raids that result in needless killings . Don't hold your breath !

As a side note big media went out of its way to mislead,fabricate evidence, alter 911 tapes and cover up the Travin Martin story and yet these state controlled media entities have no story on events like the killing of this innocent Georgia man .

[rootuser]

I'm thinking the Washington Post could be influenced by its new owner Jeff Bezos. I think everyone will agree, Jeff Bezos knows how to please consumers .

I'm hoping Georgia politicians will address this problem. Then again who knows what considerations are on the table. Democrat California never really addressed the cold blooded murder of Scott paper heir Don Scott despite having a hero DA investigate and condemn this murder for land scheme.

Its time LEOs on every level are held accountable for these off hours raids and raids that result in needless killings . Don't hold your breath !

As a side note big media went out of its way to mislead,fabricate evidence, alter 911 tapes and cover up the Travin Martin story and yet these state controlled media entities have no story on events like the killing of this innocent Georgia man .

Yes, you are right about Bezos, we'll have to see how I goes.

California Democrats are just as guilty as Georgia Republicans IMHO. That is my whole point, both sides are corrupt using the police as the gestapo to come in and shoot you. We the people just need to remove the power from the police and they won't do it. I do not think our police WANT to do this, I think we ASK them to.... that is sad.

"The Media" which includes the Washington post did report about the innocent Georgia man... You and I are talking about it So that part is working, you just have to sort through the crap to get to it. Part of our job as responsible citizens. I don't need my news spoon fed to me. I'm ok with having to read several sources to get at the truth. And I agree with the Martin thing. They did some creative editing of the 9-1-1 tapes.

[Bangzoom]

Not one more

[Rumline]

My biggest shock here is that isn't Georgia a red state? It has had a Republican governor for at least 10 years IIRC, both the houses in the state are overwhelmingly republican, both their U.S. Senators are Republican, the vast majority of the U.S. congressional seats are Republican (9 or 10 I think) and I think almost every state office is held by a republican. This state is deep red. How could this happen?

Really?? Have you never heard of "law and order Republicans"? Since the Nixon days, they are the Republicans who love to "get tough on crime," who started the whole "war on drugs" rhetoric, wrote the Patriot Act, and believe that MRAPs are completely legitimate for municipal police departments to employ on a regular basis.

Here's Breitbart whining about how the GOP is no longer adding as much gas to the police state fire as it used to: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...er-and-in-2016

The basic message starts as something that everybody can agree on: we cannot tolerate lawlessness. The problem is the way they go about implementing this ideology is moving us towards a police state, IMO.

[Jimmybacon43]

[SPROCKET]

There is a simple legislative solution that still allows the police officers off the hook.

When you participate in a crime and someone dies, you get charged with murder.

Make it a felony for a CI or Criminal to provide false information leading to an armed raid.

If someone dies, they get a long sentence.

The officers shouldn't be off the hook. When you break into a man's home and gun him down on the flimsiest of pretenses you should be going to prison.

[Victor Cachat]

The officers shouldn't be off the hook. When you break into a man's home and gun him down on the flimsiest of pretenses you should be going to prison.

You are right.
They should not be off the hook.

And how many times have you been right and failed to get any traction?
You have to start somewhere and making the police responsible is the harder thing to accomplish.

And how easy is it to prove that the officers involved in the shooting knew the information was false or questionable?

[morfeeis]

One day the son or a daughter of an innocent victim assassinated by LEA (Law Enforcement Assassins -thanks shda5582) will grab a hunting rifle and go after those murderers and their families.
Only then they will understand what it means to be the hunted not the hunter and how it feels to live in fear between the walls of your own home.
We pay them to protect, not to exterminate us with their new shiny pew-pew toys gifted by the US Army. They feel all powerful in their armored SWAT vehicles, knowing chances are they will shoot at us and nobody will shoot back. And knowing if they shoot some innocent victim in their own home a statist judge will clear them of murder. They play warriors without having the guts to enlist and go to fight in a real war where you shoot and you get shot back at. And they think the enemy is us, the civilians who pay their salaries and pensions.
Maybe them losing a couple of battles is the only way they can understand they are not the Praetorian guards they think they are and we are not the slaves they can kill with impunity.

That kind of already happened, leos shot everything that moved no one was charged and the "badguy" was burned alive after the leos said on open mics "lets burn this ****er alive" (or something to that affect).

They are a powerful gang and unless they face punishment (legal or otherwise) for their action nothing will change.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

When the casualty rate becomes unacceptable for THEM, it will stop.
When people shoot first (and accurately) before asking questions, it will stop.

I don't think it will stop until they kill someone "important" like a politician and /or they are held personally accountable for their actions rather than the taxpayer.

[sl0re10]

Yes, you are right about Bezos, we'll have to see how I goes.

California Democrats are just as guilty as Georgia Republicans IMHO. That is my whole point, both sides are corrupt using the police as the gestapo to come in and shoot you. We the people just need to remove the power from the police and they won't do it. I do not think our police WANT to do this, I think we ASK them to.... that is sad.

"The Media" which includes the Washington post did report about the innocent Georgia man... You and I are talking about it So that part is working, you just have to sort through the crap to get to it. Part of our job as responsible citizens. I don't need my news spoon fed to me. I'm ok with having to read several sources to get at the truth. And I agree with the Martin thing. They did some creative editing of the 9-1-1 tapes.

there is also some tribalism involved. When you think 'your' side runs something you don't notice the bs they cause. Ergo Georgia republicans are less likely to notice their police problems. But in California, where the police are associated with the left / dems / unions and or what is now the "California establishment"... republicans are noticing them and their problems... and vice versa... I was hanging out with some modern hippies (they'd call themselves that) and one was surprised when I claimed the police would use gun laws to go after a everyday someone (non criminal) for a cosmetic feature / technical violation. Like really people? When was your last good run in with the police....

[guns4life]

That kind of already happened, leos shot everything that moved no one was charged and the "badguy" was burned alive after the leos said on open mics "lets burn this ****er alive" (or something to that affect).

They are a powerful gang and unless they face punishment (legal or otherwise) for their action nothing will change.

I was listening live and it was more like "lets use the burners". Afterwards they(police) came out and said "burner is a common term for a smoke grenade"...which may be true, but in my opinion makes it worse because it proves they know those things start fires and they know exactly where to place them in order to do so.

It's either prone out and prepare to be detained, or survive a hail of gunfire only to be burned alive when they start launching flaming grenades into your curtains...as the fire department stands off-site and watches. However you feel about it those are really your only two options you have when SWAT is kicking down your door.