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  • TrappedinCalifornia
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2018
    • 8190

    Wyoming Is Poised To Repeal Gun-Free Zones

    Wild Wild West: With new bill, Wyoming is poised to repeal gun-free zones

    Wyoming's repeal of gun-free zones, including public schools and government meetings, passed both chambers of the state legislature on Thursday and is heading to Governor Mark Gordon's desk. If not vetoed within three business days, it will become law.

    According to the bill's sponsor, Rep. Jeremy Haroldson, R-Wheatland, the bill is motivated by respect for the Second Amendment...

    The legislation would allow concealed carry in any public elementary or secondary school, college or university, or government meeting. It would carve out exceptions for health and human services facilities and public events where alcohol is sold. While the bill allows concealed carry on K-12 campuses, students would not be allowed to carry...

    The bill allows school districts to adopt rules for how their employees may legally concealed carry, but they can not set rules or training expectations for members of the public on school property.

    Private property owners are still allowed to restrict concealed carry on their property.

    The bill breezed through the Wyoming House but was considered dead on arrival in the Senate Judiciary. In a surprise move, the legislation was resuscitated in an unusual overrule vote, in which the Senate suspended its own rules...
    One of the comments I've seen is that 'loosening the rules increases crime' when it comes to guns. In a study released by the Rand Corporation just over a year ago (though, posted at the end of the piece, it is indicated that it was Originally published March 2, 2018) - Effects of Concealed-Carry Laws on Violent Crime - the summary stated...

    There is supportive evidence that shall-issue concealed-carry laws may increase total and firearm homicides. Evidence for the effect of permitless-carry laws on total homicides is inconclusive. Evidence that shall-issue concealed-carry laws may increase violent crime is limited.
    Let's just say that the rationale for the piece and even the headline was based on 'cherry-picking' the studies so the Rand Corporation's criteria were met. Yet, even at that, the best they could come up with was that it was 'inconclusive' but potentially 'supportive?'
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    BAJ475
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2014
    • 5040

    Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
    Wild Wild West: With new bill, Wyoming is poised to repeal gun-free zones

    One of the comments I've seen is that 'loosening the rules increases crime' when it comes to guns. In a study released by the Rand Corporation just over a year ago (though, posted at the end of the piece, it is indicated that it was Originally published March 2, 2018) - Effects of Concealed-Carry Laws on Violent Crime - the summary stated...

    Let's just say that the rationale for the piece and even the headline was based on 'cherry-picking' the studies so the Rand Corporation's criteria were met. Yet, even at that, the best they could come up with was that it was 'inconclusive' but potentially 'supportive?'
    Cherry-picking indeed. Not all firearm homicides are unlawful. Just another example of how the anti gun crowd tries to mislead.

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      AlmostHeaven
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      • Apr 2023
      • 3808

      I have not yet seen Governor Mark Gordon commit to either signing or vetoing the legislation. I wonder if he plans to quietly approve the bill without fanfare or has simply not yet made a decision.
      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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        TrappedinCalifornia
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2018
        • 8190

        Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
        I have not yet seen Governor Mark Gordon commit to either signing or vetoing the legislation. I wonder if he plans to quietly approve the bill without fanfare or has simply not yet made a decision.
        Bear in mind... Wyoming Eliminates "Gun-free Zones"

        Republican Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon is about to sign a bill passed last week by both houses that will eliminate the last of any "gun-free zones" existing in the Cowboy State. If he doesn't sign it within three days, the bill will automatically become law...

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        • #5
          CAL.BAR
          CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
          • Nov 2007
          • 5632

          Yeah, its WY! I'd be amazed if there were any gun free zones actually IN WY. And if there were, I'm sure all two dozen people who actually live in WY will care.

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            TrappedinCalifornia
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            • Jan 2018
            • 8190

            Originally posted by CAL.BAR
            Yeah, its WY! I'd be amazed if there were any gun free zones actually IN WY. And if there were, I'm sure all two dozen people who actually live in WY will care.
            Just bear in mind it's become something of a 'retreat' for the rich and shameless... How Wyoming Became A Secret Celebrity Hotspot

            ...In recent years, Jackson Hole has quickly become one of the top getaways for the ultra-rich and mega-famous. Stars are opting not just to visit but also to snap up lavish properties either as second homes or as their main residences. But why? What keeps the wealthiest and most successful venturing to what would otherwise be thought of as just another incredibly beautiful spot in the middle of nowhere? Simply put, it's the taxes - or rather the lack thereof. The state of Wyoming has no income tax, so residents don?t have to forfeit some of their earnings as they would in California or New York, though that has led to some serious cuts to social services...


            Whether it's still an 'hot spot' for them, I don't know.

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              CSACANNONEER
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              Banning "unarmed victim zones" will make criminals work a little harder to find soft targets. Of course, self-proclaimed "gun free zones" like Starbucks will still be easy soft targets for criminals.
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              • #8
                AlmostHeaven
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                • Apr 2023
                • 3808

                Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                I see. The Constitution of Virginia gives our governor 30 days after the end of a legislative session to veto, amend, or sign legislation. Bills passed in the middle of a session only get 7 days, but the most controversial moves always happen during closing week. As a result, people here may have to wait until as late as April 9 to know the ultimate status of the 33 pending gun control bills.

                Now, I certainly do not mind a week, but 30 days seems pretty long. Now that I think about the issue, 3 days seems pretty short.
                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                  BAJ475
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                  • Jul 2014
                  • 5040

                  Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
                  I see. The Constitution of Virginia gives our governor 30 days after the end of a legislative session to veto, amend, or sign legislation. Bills passed in the middle of a session only get 7 days, but the most controversial moves always happen during closing week. As a result, people here may have to wait until as late as April 9 to know the ultimate status of the 33 pending gun control bills.

                  Now, I certainly do not mind a week, but 30 days seems pretty long. Now that I think about the issue, 3 days seems pretty short.
                  As an Idahoan, I wish you and the rest of pro 2A Virginians the best, i.e., all anti 2A bills are vetoed. Keep us informed.

                  PS, If all fails you can move to Idaho.

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                  • #10
                    jeremiah12
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 2065

                    Wyoming has been on my short list of states to move to. In Wyoming, teachers can carry in schools after working for 5 years and getting permission from the principal or superintendent. It is easy to get permission in most counties. I will not happen in Jackson Hole or Laramie, home of the University of Wyoming.
                    Anyone can look around and see the damage to the state and country inflicted by bad politicians.

                    A vote is clearly much more dangerous than a gun.

                    Why advocate restrictions on one right (voting) without comparable restrictions on another (self defense) (or, why not say 'Be a U.S. citizen' as the requirement for CCW)?

                    --Librarian

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                    • #11
                      DGoodale
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 1106

                      There is supportive evidence that shall-issue concealed-carry laws may increase total and firearm homicides....
                      That has to be the most stupid statement in that study. They're trying to enforce or illicit the negative connotation of the word homicide. Of course homicides increase, when a good guy with a gun takes out the trash, by legal definition that is a homicide. But in a good way! They're trying to conflate homicide with murder, not the same.

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                      • #12
                        AlmostHeaven
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                        • Apr 2023
                        • 3808

                        Originally posted by DGoodale
                        That has to be the most stupid statement in that study. They're trying to enforce or illicit the negative connotation of the word homicide. Of course homicides increase, when a good guy with a gun takes out the trash, by legal definition that is a homicide. But in a good way! They're trying to conflate homicide with murder, not the same.


                        Justifiable homicide, people killed during the commission of crimes, and suicides should not count towards "gun violence," but left-wing organizations certainly do.
                        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                        The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                          AlmostHeaven
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                          • Apr 2023
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                          Originally posted by BAJ475
                          As an Idahoan, I wish you and the rest of pro 2A Virginians the best, i.e., all anti 2A bills are vetoed. Keep us informed.

                          PS, If all fails you can move to Idaho.


                          Thanks.
                          A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                          The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                          • #14
                            Sgt Raven
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                            • Dec 2005
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                            ^^^^^^^


                            Homicide is the death of a Human Being caused by another Human Being.

                            All Murders are Homicides, but all Homicides are not Murders.
                            Too many people do not know the difference between Homicide and Murder.
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                            • #15
                              WithinReason
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                              • Jan 2013
                              • 746

                              Originally posted by AlmostHeaven


                              Justifiable homicide, people killed during the commission of crimes, and suicides should not count towards "gun violence," but left-wing organizations certainly do.
                              Agreed!
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