Americans favor Bruen and public carry by 2/3

[AlmostHeaven]

I think also that people are realizing more and more that the police are not their personal body guards. This once used to be a sort of widespread perception (erroneously), but as the media attention has been given to these daily out of control incidents, and people realizing that police response is typically 5-15 minutes for emergencies and often does not stop these incidents before the damage is done, awareness grows.
And this is not to slight police.
They usually do their jobs as a deterrent to crime.

Amen. I personally know a few lifetime Democrat voters who got fundamentally spooked by the sheer chaos, unprecedented social calamity, and national tension of the 2020-2022 COVID era and bought their first firearms.

This does not mean their political opinions transformed overnight, and Trump signs began appearing in their yards, but their support for gun control policies eroded as soon as they became part of the group of Americans who own semi-automatic handguns capable of using large-capacity magazines.

[Sgt Raven]

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Ever since I heard about the Catherine Susan "Kitty" Genovese murder on March 13, 1964, I've known I am my 1st responder.
Then Warren v. District of Columbia (1991) drove home the fact the Government has no duty to protect me.

[Rickybillegas]

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Ever since I heard about the Catherine Susan "Kitty" Genovese murder on March 13, 1964, I've known I am my 1st responder.
Then Warren v. District of Columbia (1991) drove home the fact the Government has no duty to protect me.

I first became aware in the aftermath of the LA 'Rodney King riots' when Reginald Denny was beaten almost to death with a brick to the head by street punk Football Williams. Others were beaten and even killed on that very intersection of Florence and Normandie that day. I watched in horror as it played out on live tv that day.

The LAPD set up a staging area, not too far from that intersection, but were not ordered in because the scene was 'too hot'.

Much Later, Reginald Denny sued City of LA for not 'protecting' him and the other victims, but lost his case, as precedent established that law enforcement is not obligated by law to risk their own lives to save others.

As an ordinary dude without any legal education, and never giving it much thought, I did not even know this until then.

As I followed the case, I learned that the legal and practical role of law enforcement is to deter crime and catch 'bad guys'. They are NOT our personal protectors. Not to say that police often do risk their lives and there are many heroic instances of police saving lives at a 'hot scene'.

The recent tragedy in Orange County at the biker bar perfectly illustrates this reality. The pathetic SOB that opened fire did the damage within a couple minutes.
The response time by OCSD was phenomenal (2 minutes), but 3 killed and numerous others injured and he was already back at his vehicle in the back remote parking area when they engaged him. It's possible he may have come back after reloading or rearming and shot more, but the major damage
was done, no fault of OCSD. The cops simply can't be everywhere.

We are our own protectors. The sooner the masses get that into their heads, the better off we will all be.

[AlmostHeaven]

I first became aware in the aftermath of the LA 'Rodney King riots' when Reginald Denny was beaten almost to death with a brick to the head by street punk Football Williams. Others were beaten and even killed on that very intersection of Florence and Normandie that day. I watched in horror as it played out on live tv that day.

The LAPD set up a staging area, not too far from that intersection, but were not ordered in because the scene was 'too hot'.

Much Later, Reginald Denny sued City of LA for not 'protecting' him and the other victims, but lost his case, as precedent established that law enforcement is not obligated by law to risk their own lives to save others.

As an ordinary dude without any legal education, and never giving it much thought, I did not even know this until then.

As I followed the case, I learned that the legal and practical role of law enforcement is to deter crime and catch 'bad guys'. They are NOT our personal protectors. Not to say that police often do risk their lives and there are many heroic instances of police saving lives at a 'hot scene'.

The recent tragedy in Orange County at the biker bar perfectly illustrates this reality. The pathetic SOB that opened fire did the damage within a couple minutes.
The response time by OCSD was phenomenal (2 minutes), but 3 killed and numerous others injured and he was already back at his vehicle in the back remote parking area when they engaged him. It's possible he may have come back after reloading or rearming and shot more, but the major damage
was done, no fault of OCSD. The cops simply can't be everywhere.

We are our own protectors. The sooner the masses get that into their heads, the better off we will all be.

Police retreated to wealthy neighborhoods and abandoned working class communities to fend for themselves. Korean immigrant small business-owners had nothing except their own firearms and ammunition until the National Guard arrived. Even so, billions of dollars worth of businesses burned to the ground.

[darkwater34]

They will use this to promote their add campaigns for firearm safe storage and this poll is a
nothing more than a big lie. Already using the government paid for ad council as the number one platform. They used the Ad Council for drunk driving, seat belts Cigarettes and now firearm safe storage.

[Rickybillegas]

They will use this to promote their add campaigns for firearm safe storage and this poll is a
nothing more than a big lie. Already using the government paid for ad council as the number one platform. They used the Ad Council for drunk driving, seat belts Cigarettes and now firearm safe storage.

How does the poll (Americans favor public carry) relate to the push for 'safe storage laws? Public carry does not relate to storage. Or are you referring to the other poll mentioned (52% household ownership)?

So you are theorizing that a higher level of ownership helps push the likelihood for passing safe storage? Well, maybe so. The anti-gunners will use anything they find useful to push their agenda whether it's true or not. What statistic do you think is more believable?

BTW, Ca. already has a safe storage law, and I think most of the other liberal states do already. CA PC 25100

[Rickybillegas]

Did anybody else watch some of the 'senate gun violence health emergency' sessions? Of course, nothing but a grab, but there was very interesting tid-bits.

Particularly S Mike Lee (R) and his questions to a certain Amy Swearer (witness).
Now Amy Swearer is a legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation and their expert in charge of firearms data base and stats. Heritage Foundation is a conservative research institute, so if you want to dismiss them based on that, go ahead. Amy Swearer stated that she relies heavily on the 'gun violence archive', which has been cited by Havard U, so I doubt it's a right leaning data base.

Anyway, when questioned on S Lee about "how many acts of self defense with a firearm per year?" She said that reliable stats range from 500,000 to several million/year, but the most accurate and reasonable estimate is 1.6 million per year (2021 National Firearms Survey, most extensive survey ever conducted).

Imagine how many lives and serious injuries/maiming's are saved????
Mind blowing

[marcusrn]

I first became aware in the aftermath of the LA 'Rodney King riots' when Reginald Denny was beaten almost to death with a brick to the head by street punk Football Williams. Others were beaten and even killed on that very intersection of Florence and Normandie that day. I watched in horror as it played out on live tv that day.

The LAPD set up a staging area, not too far from that intersection, but were not ordered in because the scene was 'too hot'.

Much Later, Reginald Denny sued City of LA for not 'protecting' him and the other victims, but lost his case, as precedent established that law enforcement is not obligated by law to risk their own lives to save others.

As an ordinary dude without any legal education, and never giving it much thought, I did not even know this until then.

As I followed the case, I learned that the legal and practical role of law enforcement is to deter crime and catch 'bad guys'. They are NOT our personal protectors. Not to say that police often do risk their lives and there are many heroic instances of police saving lives at a 'hot scene'.

The recent tragedy in Orange County at the biker bar perfectly illustrates this reality. The pathetic SOB that opened fire did the damage within a couple minutes.
The response time by OCSD was phenomenal (2 minutes), but 3 killed and numerous others injured and he was already back at his vehicle in the back remote parking area when they engaged him. It's possible he may have come back after reloading or rearming and shot more, but the major damage
was done, no fault of OCSD. The cops simply can't be everywhere.

We are our own protectors. The sooner the masses get that into their heads, the better off we will all be.

Staging areas in Uvalde were very important for 399 LEO safety but not so good for school kids being shot. Let's have less staging and less LEO safety.

[Rickybillegas]

There are numerous ways to protect self and family.
1. Top notch security system at home
2. A good dog that will bark and intimidate lurkers.
3. Martial arts, self defense classes, mace, pepper spray while outside the home.
4. Knife (if you learn how to use it, just like firearms).
5. Firearms
6. All or some of the above.
7. A plan for worst case and a family/spouse plan.

I get it. Some people don't like or comfortable with firearms. Learn and do something else. The point is, we need learn to protect our self and family.
The cops can't often be there when you need them most.

[AlmostHeaven]

As the unconstrained crime wave fomented by anarchic progressive policies spread out from urban cores to formerly peaceful suburbs, the proportion of Americans who equip themselves with effective means of self-defense will further increase. I routinely hear anecdotes of neighborhoods where, in previous eras, residents would confidently leave houses unlocked and garage doors open, now descending into chaos, with criminals peering into cars with flashlights, stealing bicycles in broad daylight, and homeless drug addicts menacing kids.

[AlmostHeaven]

As the unconstrained crime wave fomented by anarchic progressive policies spread out from urban cores to formerly peaceful suburbs, the proportion of Americans who equip themselves with effective means of self-defense will further increase. I routinely hear anecdotes of neighborhoods where, in previous eras, residents would confidently leave houses unlocked and garage doors open, now descending into chaos, with criminals peering into cars with flashlights, stealing bicycles in broad daylight, and homeless drug addicts menacing kids.

[WithinReason]

The pendulum is beginning to swing. People are tired of lawlessness and a lack of safety.

[Rickybillegas]

The pendulum is beginning to swing. People are tired of lawlessness and a lack of safety.

I agree. Recent also polls tend to support that theory.

All the MSM publicity about crime, mass shootings, homelessness, et.
is a two edged sword:

On the one hand, it brings more shrill and hysterical calls for gun control by the left.

On the other hand, it scares a lot of ordinary folk into personal safety considerations, including the right to keep and bear arms. Folk who are not
necessarily gun aficionado's or perhaps never owned or considered a firearm, but do now.

[AlmostHeaven]

I agree. Recent also polls tend to support that theory.

All the MSM publicity about crime, mass shootings, homelessness, et.
is a two edged sword:

On the one hand, it brings more shrill and hysterical calls for gun control by the left.

On the other hand, it scares a lot of ordinary folk into personal safety considerations, including the right to keep and bear arms. Folk who are not necessarily gun aficionados or perhaps never owned or considered a firearm, but do now.

One of the most important jobs of the Second Amendment community is to befriend and educate new gun owners to ensure they understand the unjust perils of gun control legislation. For suitable candidates, encouraging people to acquire modern sporting rifles and learn the fundamental absurdity of assault weapons bans also helps.

[WithinReason]

One of the most important jobs of the Second Amendment community is to befriend and educate new gun owners to ensure they understand the unjust perils of gun control legislation. For suitable candidates, encouraging people to acquire modern sporting rifles and learn the fundamental absurdity of assault weapons bans also helps.

I agree wholeheartedly. We should educate our families and friends on the importance of the right to keep and bear arms.