Biden upset Israelis are arming civilians

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

Read the article and it said:
Notably, it comes just days after US Commerce Department suspended sales of most US-made firearms for 90 days to ensure it doesn?t ?undermine the country?s interests?.

However, it made exceptions to Israel and Ukraine?who are both currently engaged in a bloody war with Hamas and Russia, respectively?and about 40 other countries that are part of an export-control agreement. So... in other words, NO the US has NOT stopped sales of rifles to Israel. So... no actual story here.

No actual story? Reading comprehension fail on your part.

Yes, as the article mentions (and most of us already knew), there is already a US export suspension in place, with a bunch of excepted countries, including Ukraine and Israel.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-exports-most-civilian-firearms-90-days-2023-10-27/

What this article notes, if true(and I don't have any reason to doubt it since we have this clown world administration in charge in America right now) is that our current F*#k Joe Biden administration is not happy with National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir buying and handing out arms to Israeli Civilian security teams.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-10000-assault-rifles-purchased-for-civilian-security-teams/

So apparently now Biden is threatening to add Israel to the "Do not sell/export to" list.

Hence this part:

"The United States has reportedly warned Tel Aviv that it would not send American-made rifles after the Israeli national security minister was seen handing out such guns to civilians amidst the war with the Hamas terrorist group."


Whether FJB actually follows through with this threat remains to be seen.

Of course proper response from Israel would be to tell FJB to Eff off.

Arms can be sourced elsewhere if needed.

[Kyle1886]

I certainly hope ammo goes with the arms.

(We have an acquaintance that visited relatives in Israel a couple of months back before this mess and of course arms came up. It appears that ammo is limited to the populace, as we already know. Without a healthy supply ((more than 50 rounds)) they are fairly limited against the aggressors).

Respectfully
Kyle

[AlmostHeaven]

Democrats would rather people helplessly die at the hands of barbaric terrorists than risk having the right to keep and bear arms expand to more jurisdictions.

[Rickybillegas]

Yeah, nobody said that Joe or his administration stopped export to Israel.

The point of this thread is that the administration is unhappy with the idea of giving exported firearms to citizens for self defense, even in times of war! and threatened to stop export.

Thier whole world view is ideological and not apparently based in reality or the pragmatic issue of saving lives.

[AlmostHeaven]

Yeah, nobody said that Joe or his administration stopped export to Israel.

The point of this thread is that the administration is unhappy with the idea of giving exported firearms to citizens for self defense, even in times of war! and threatened to stop export.

Their whole world view is ideological and not apparently based in reality or the pragmatic issue of saving lives.

I reckon that had Israeli civilians used privately owned firearms to defend themselves against Hamas terrorists, Democrats would have counted the justified use-of-force incidents as gun violence.

[TruOil]

Do US companies (ie S&W, Ruger, Colt) sell to whoever wants to buy? Domestic and International?

If they get permission to export from the Commerce Department (used to be State) and to import them from the country where they are sent.

[TruOil]

I guess Ol' Joe forgot that with mandatory service, the vast majority of Israelis are trained in the use of the AR 15 as well as battle tactics. Further, some of the kibbutzes had armories stacked with automatic weapons and security staff trained to use them. Others were less fortunate.

[Rickybillegas]

I guess Ol' Joe forgot that with mandatory service, the vast majority of Israelis are trained in the use of the AR 15 as well as battle tactics. Further, some of the kibbutzes had armories stacked with automatic weapons and security staff trained to use them. Others were less fortunate.

Good point, but even if they weren't, they have a right to self defense.
Ukrainian civilians were given arms at one point, and as far as I know, there was no mandatory service requirement, until times of war.

It's just logical sense, and just drives home the same point.
Which is, they are against civilian armament no matter what, who, or when, or if or but.

[AlmostHeaven]

Good point, but even if they weren't, they have a right to self defense.
Ukrainian civilians were given arms at one point, and as far as I know, there was no mandatory service requirement, until times of war.

It's just logical sense, and just drives home the same point.
Which is, they are against civilian armament no matter what, who, or when, or if or but.

Progressives and their final evolved form, communists, have no qualms about millions of people dying as long as society moves towards their impossible utopian visions. A few thousand Israeli civilians perishing due to lack of arms does not even register on the scale.

[Kyle1886]

Progressives and their final evolved form, communists, have no qualms about millions of people dying as long as society moves towards their impossible utopian visions. A few thousand Israeli civilians perishing due to lack of arms does not even register on the scale.

I'm old enough to remember Mr. Khrushchev and his numerous statements on communism and the United States. At the time I never envisioned that our own academic system and the old breed of Democrats would assist in a Marxist society.

So what's a few thousand lives, as you state that "moves towards their impossible utopian visions."

Respectfully
Kyle

[whatmeworry]

Israel has healthy arms and ammunition manufacturing facilities

[DaveInOroValley]

An administration that completed armed up the Taliban is going to be the last one to lecture me on any gun control ever.

[Dr.Lou]

Do US companies (ie S&W, Ruger, Colt) sell to whoever wants to buy? Domestic and International?

Nope
They need export permits which are issued by DoS. However, there?s currently a 90-day moratorium on new export permits. Manufacturers with exiting permits can still ship to those countries.

[AlmostHeaven]

I'm old enough to remember Mr. Khrushchev and his numerous statements on communism and the United States. At the time I never envisioned that our own academic system and the old breed of Democrats would assist in a Marxist society.

So what's a few thousand lives, as you state that "moves towards their impossible utopian visions."

Indeed, communist ideology planted its seeds in the education system while America focused on military containment, technological dominance, and financial overpowering. The leaders of the past paid insufficient attention to the home front.

[Flyron]

FJB as he left thousands of weapons with ammunition in Afghanistan. The IDF said many of the Hamas fighters shot were armed with US AR-5.56 weapons.
Wonder how they got those to use.