NYC - Councilwoman Vernikov arrested - Possession in "Sensitive Place"

[AlmostHeaven]

You call it properly concealed? In my view, she was showing off, for good or for bad.
https://nypost.com/2023/10/13/nyc-co...stine-protest/

I do not believe Vernikov intended to get criminally charged and lose her concealed carry license. I do not hold strong opinions either way on whether she meant to have the pro-Palestinian protestors see her handgun.

[GiveMeMo2A]

Showing off?

You call it properly concealed? In my view, she was showing off, for good or for bad.

I think the law should not care if the gun is exposed for less than 50% of the time. Clothing police that claim, I saw it, there for you are in violation, when they only state this post a lawful weapons pat down or being told, yes, I have a weapon, I think give a bad cop to much power to turn you into a felon.

Because of this, I wish people would step back from the, they weren?t carrying properly. You do you, boo. If you train, train people to always conceal, yes.

[AlmostHeaven]

I think the law should not care if the gun is exposed for less than 50% of the time. Clothing police that claim, I saw it, there for you are in violation, when they only state this post a lawful weapons pat down or being told, yes, I have a weapon, I think give a bad cop to much power to turn you into a felon.

Because of this, I wish people would step back from the, they weren't carrying properly. You do you, boo. If you train, train people to always conceal, yes.

Indeed, open carry bans violate the Second Amendment, so gun rights advocates arguing with each other over whether a weapon qualifies as concealed only sabotages the movement at large.

[Rickybillegas]

I think the law should not care if the gun is exposed for less than 50% of the time. Clothing police that claim, I saw it, there for you are in violation, when they only state this post a lawful weapons pat down or being told, yes, I have a weapon, I think give a bad cop to much power to turn you into a felon.

Because of this, I wish people would step back from the, they weren?t carrying properly. You do you, boo. If you train, train people to always conceal, yes.

From CALIFORNIA CARRY:

"What if other people see my gun?
Unintentional exposure is not a crime in California. True unforeseen circumstances causing one?s gun to become exposed should not be an issue, but in the highly sensitive atmosphere of California, it could lead to negative consequences. Carefully ensure your gun is concealed to avoid drawing the ire of an overly sensitive sheriff/chief."

I'm not sure if it's precisely codified or not in CA or NY, but I thought inadvertent or accidental revealing or printing is not necessarily a violation. And then even if so, it probably depends on who is doing the interpretation. That does not mean we should not be very careful.

But that is sort of irrelevant to her case in the sense that her exposure was not the big problem, but her violation of the sensitive place law.

[AlmostHeaven]

From CALIFORNIA CARRY:

"What if other people see my gun?
Unintentional exposure is not a crime in California. True unforeseen circumstances causing one?s gun to become exposed should not be an issue, but in the highly sensitive atmosphere of California, it could lead to negative consequences. Carefully ensure your gun is concealed to avoid drawing the ire of an overly sensitive sheriff/chief."

I'm not sure if it's precisely codified or not in CA or NY, but I thought inadvertent or accidental revealing or printing is not necessarily a violation. And then even if so, it probably depends on who is doing the interpretation. That does not mean we should not be very careful.

But that is sort of irrelevant to her case in the sense that her exposure was not the big problem, but her violation of the sensitive place law.

I agree. The criminal charges solely covered the sensitive places laws and not the New York open carry prohibition.