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  • #31
    SpudmanWP
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2017
    • 1156

    Bruen said that "public carry" was a right protected under the 2nd. It never specified Open vs Concealed when it came to exercising that right. What it said was that historically the only laws that were unconstitutional were were BOTH open and concealed were banned. It never said that open had to be offered even if concealed was a choice. It also said that "reasonable" licensing schemes that were objective could be placed on public carry. This is even applicable to open carry as several states have license restrictions on open carry.

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    • #32
      darkwater34
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 772

      So basically this council woman is protected by the Second Amendment according to Bruen.

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      • #33
        Dr T
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2018
        • 39

        Unfortunately, this councelwoman is a Republican and in New York, she is going to likely be "Trumped"

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        • #34
          darkwater34
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 772

          Yep forgot about how the left demonize people they hate should be considered a hate crime.

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          • #35
            Rickybillegas
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2022
            • 1527

            Well, I think because she is a council woman, she will get a pretty good plea deal for misdemeanor, and that will be the end of it.

            I don't think DA wants to make this a big public deal. I think they rather prosecute people who violate CCIA under the radar.
            Regular people like most of us, would not get the same plea deal.
            We would get everything the DA could throw at us.

            It seems like there are two tiers of Justice. One for us and another for politicians, pro athletes and celebrities.

            We'll see what happens, unless they seal the deal.

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            • #36
              Squatch
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2018
              • 886

              Two teared justice system in 3...2...1

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              • #37
                AlmostHeaven
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2023
                • 3808

                I think the district attorney will apply a substantial amount of pressure and threaten to throw the book unless Councilwoman Vernikov pleads guilty to a lesser charge. She will most likely give in, and then this story goes away.
                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                • #38
                  tenemae
                  code Monkey
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1680

                  Originally posted by SpudmanWP
                  Bruen said that "public carry" was a right protected under the 2nd. It never specified Open vs Concealed when it came to exercising that right.
                  To add to this, a useful citation from NYSRPA v Bruen can be found on page 30, footnote 9
                  To be clear, nothing in our analysis should be interpreted to suggest
                  the unconstitutionality of the 43 States? ?shall-issue? licensing regimes,
                  under which ?a general desire for self-defense is sufficient to obtain a
                  [permit].?
                  Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
                  I think the district attorney will apply a substantial amount of pressure and threaten to throw the book unless Councilwoman Vernikov pleads guilty to a lesser charge. She will most likely give in, and then this story goes away.
                  I think you're correct. They'll threaten her with a felony unless she pleads down to a lesser charge basically amounting to a loss of license and maybe a fine for first offense. They can't have this case making precedent.

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                  • #39
                    Dan_Eastvale
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 9117

                    She'll plea. Under prosecutor condition she provide testimony against Trump

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                    • #40
                      darkwater34
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2016
                      • 772

                      She might have a leg or three to stand one after what happened in Illinois to the Synagogue President in her own driveway probably on her way to Sunday service.

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                      • #41
                        AlmostHeaven
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2023
                        • 3808

                        Originally posted by darkwater34
                        She might have a leg or three to stand one after what happened in Illinois to the Synagogue President in her own driveway probably on her way to Sunday service.
                        New York makes California seem like a free state. The councilwoman will not slide, especially after Governor Hochul personally tweeted about this specific incident.
                        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                        The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                        • #42
                          darkwater34
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2016
                          • 772

                          Maybe the good governor might reconsider after what happened at the Whitehouse this last weekend.

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                          • #43
                            Sgt Raven
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 3777

                            Originally posted by SpudmanWP
                            Bruen said that "public carry" was a right protected under the 2nd. It never specified Open vs Concealed when it came to exercising that right. What it said was that historically the only laws that were unconstitutional were were BOTH open and concealed were banned. It never said that open had to be offered even if concealed was a choice. It also said that "reasonable" licensing schemes that were objective could be placed on public carry. This is even applicable to open carry as several states have license restrictions on open carry.



                            Can you point me towards the Historical Tradition of Firearms Regulation during the Founding Ear that banned the Open Carry of Firearms.
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                            • #44
                              SpudmanWP
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                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jul 2017
                              • 1156

                              I am not sure SCOTUS gave specific examples when they talked about it in Bruen. I'll look at it when the Rahimi livefeed is done.

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                              • #45
                                AlmostHeaven
                                Veteran Member
                                • Apr 2023
                                • 3808

                                Originally posted by darkwater34
                                Maybe the good governor might reconsider after what happened at the Whitehouse this last weekend.
                                What are you referencing?
                                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                                The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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