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  • darkwater34
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 772

    The stay will probably remain in effect as long as the Attorney General for the State of New Mexico doesn't decide to defend Governor Grisham. And hopefully if the A.G. takes up the case the judge remains vigilant in his previous ruling..

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    • 40calfunk
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 90

      10/3 Preliminary Injunction Hearing

      Audio just went live @ https://www.nmcourt.uscourts.gov/usdcdnm-abq-mimbres/

      login: audio / 07FE9C
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      • 40calfunk
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 90

        TRO extended till Oct 11; awt ruling on PI

        Well, Judge Urias found that the original EO/PHP is now moot since Grisham had amended the order.

        All parties are now enjoined together under the 2nd motions for PI filed by NAGR and We the Patriots USA. The arguments now before the court seem to revolve around the vagueness of the new order (playgrounds or where children play) and Bruen's 2-step analysis process to properly analyze the playgrounds/play areas as "sensitive places". ***Judge Urias did indicate that plaintiffs did meet the first step...you know what comes next (hint: Grisham's attorney, Mrs. Agajanian, only provided emotional arguments and stats to support an interest balancing attempt).

        The Court has ultimately taken the arguments under advisement, extended the original TRO until October 11th (to give the Court enough time to make a judgment), and requested any supplemental briefs filed by this Friday (October 6) limiting to those to 5 pages.

        I recorded the entire hearing (roughly 2.25 hrs) and if there's interest in disseminating it, I'll figure out a way to get it out.
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        • Rickybillegas
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2022
          • 1527

          Well, I consider this a win. As much as we'd like to in the real world, we can't have everything. We got an injunction against most of the worst aspects of the sensitive places, and N Mexicans can now carry in most public places.

          As for parks and playgrounds, as much as I would like to have that injuncted, I doubt it will be. We are just going to have to deal with that one in another suit on the national level and SCOTUS finally clears this complete mess once and for all.

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          • AlmostHeaven
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2023
            • 3808

            Originally posted by 40calfunk
            Well, Judge Urias found that the original EO/PHP is now moot since Grisham had amended the order.

            All parties are now enjoined together under the 2nd motions for PI filed by NAGR and We the Patriots USA. The arguments now before the court seem to revolve around the vagueness of the new order (playgrounds or where children play) and Bruen's 2-step analysis process to properly analyze the playgrounds/play areas as "sensitive places". ***Judge Urias did indicate that plaintiffs did meet the first step...you know what comes next (hint: Grisham's attorney, Mrs. Agajanian, only provided emotional arguments and stats to support an interest balancing attempt).

            The Court has ultimately taken the arguments under advisement, extended the original TRO until October 11th (to give the Court enough time to make a judgment), and requested any supplemental briefs filed by this Friday (October 6) limiting to those to 5 pages.

            I recorded the entire hearing (roughly 2.25 hrs) and if there's interest in disseminating it, I'll figure out a way to get it out.
            Did you attend the hearing in-person or remotely?
            A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

            The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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            • 40calfunk
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 90

              Originally posted by AlmostHeaven
              Did you attend the hearing in person or remotely?
              I attended from the comfort of my home office, sipping coffee, since public access was granted to the live-stream audio...see post #243
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              • darkwater34
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 772

                Parks and Playgrounds should be a big worry because if that little NAZI gets her way she will add other places turning NEWS MEXICO INTO CALIFORNIA.
                Last edited by darkwater34; 10-04-2023, 11:51 PM. Reason: Auto Correct

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                • AlmostHeaven
                  Veteran Member
                  • Apr 2023
                  • 3808

                  Originally posted by darkwater34
                  Parks and Playgrounds should be a big worry because if that little NAZI gets her way she will add other places turning NEWS MEXICO INTO CALIFORNIA.
                  Democratic governors everywhere will implement the New York Concealed Carry Improvement Act via executive order if judges fail to stop New Mexico.
                  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                  The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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                  • darkwater34
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 772

                    Yes I agree New Mexico right now is the small Crack in the dam, and this Crack needs to be patched and sealed permanently. .

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                    • Jimi Jah
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 17689

                      Are the 30 days up now?

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                      • Rickybillegas
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2022
                        • 1527

                        Originally posted by darkwater34
                        Parks and Playgrounds should be a big worry because if that little NAZI gets her way she will add other places turning NEWS MEXICO INTO CALIFORNIA.
                        But the law has already been injuncted in many of the places California wants banned.
                        So, she is not getting away with much so far. She only picked parks and playgrounds because there wasn't much else left after the (Biden) Judge spanked her. She's trying to save face.

                        Unlike some of the other so called 'sensitive places', parks and playgrounds
                        are a more contentious problem (not that I think they should be), because the anti-gunners are trying to argue that it is specifically a vulnerable place for children. They use the idea that 'schools' are accepted as sensitive places
                        (erroneously, see Mark Smith explain why), because of children.

                        So, the logic goes that because children are frequently gathered particularly at playgrounds and parks, they qualify as sensitive places under BRUEN.
                        And a number of Judges are buying this (see MD).

                        I think this will eventually be shot down, but not until it reaches SCOTUS.
                        In the meantime, I think judges in general of either political bent will injunct other sensitive places, but be cautious and even confused about parks and especially playgrounds.

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                        • Rickybillegas
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2022
                          • 1527

                          In short, Mark smith explains that schools as a sensitive place is not a given, even though I think most people think so. Why? Because the statute supporting the banning of firearms during the formative period applied to children on school grounds but NOT the adults.

                          Watch the whole video if anybody's inclined.

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                          • 40calfunk
                            Junior Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 90

                            Headed for Appeal?

                            Motion for PI, from October 3rd's hearing, has been denied. Judge Urias' opinion published on October 11th.

                            Mark Smith does a swell job of pointing out the Judge's mistakes and what most likely will be challenged in the 10th USCA.

                            Last edited by 40calfunk; 10-14-2023, 11:51 AM.
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                            • darkwater34
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2016
                              • 772

                              Yes this judge has really screwed up either a real rush job and he was not being proof read.

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                              • AlmostHeaven
                                Veteran Member
                                • Apr 2023
                                • 3808

                                Liberal judges shamelessly play progressive activist from the bench, routinely inventing new constitutional constructions from scratch to block conservative policies such as gender-affirming care bans for minors, yet they allow Democratic politicians to infringe upon Second Amendment rights via executive fiat.
                                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                                The Second Amendment makes us citizens, not subjects. All other enumerated rights are meaningless without gun rights.

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