Open and concealed carry "privileges" suspended in Albuquerque for 30 days

[darkwater34]

What I meant

No. The temporary restraining order merely enjoins enforcement of Governor Grisham's executive fiat banning the carry of arms in certain counties of New Mexico. The ruling does not affect any other law.

Since the whole world and God as seen how the Second Amendment is actually read and it's true meaning. And not construed like some people would like the meaning to read. What does this do for people in states that do not have Constitutional Carry or bans on open carry and concealed carry. Pretty sure that the governor's in those states might be shaking in their boots.

[AlmostHeaven]

Since the whole world and God as seen how the Second Amendment is actually read and it's true meaning. And not construed like some people would like the meaning to read. What does this do for people in states that do not have Constitutional Carry or bans on open carry and concealed carry. Pretty sure that the governor's in those states might be shaking in their boots.

A different case, such as Nichols v. Newsom or Baird v. Bonta, will serve as the judicial vehicle for general public carry issues. The lawsuits in New Mexico principally concern executive powers.

[therealnickb]

West

[darkwater34]

What is really nice even the anti gunners and the democrats now know that the Second Amendment is Absolute as well as is the Oath one takes to become a public servant.
Thanks to Governor Michelle Grisham she has now hammered the last nail home in that coffin.

[Rickybillegas]

What is really nice even the anti gunners and the democrats now know that the Second Amendment is Absolute as well as is the Oath one takes to become a public servant.
Thanks to Governor Michelle Grisham she has now hammered the last nail home in that coffin.

Yes, I agree. The national public debate on this has put most people on notice
about the right to carry, even many of those that don't like the idea.
If the injunction holds, I think it will give great pause to any future such shenanigans.

The Irony would be that her highness has actually done more to solidify the right to carry than before she unleashed her childish tantrum on the good people of NM.

[AlmostHeaven]

Yes, I agree. The national public debate on this has put most people on notice
about the right to carry, even many of those that don't like the idea.
If the injunction holds, I think it will give great pause to any future such shenanigans.

The Irony would be that her highness has actually done more to solidify the right to carry than before she unleashed her childish tantrum on the good people of NM.

Swinging the pendulum too quickly and violently in one direction tends to benefit those who want to move the other way.

[mk2dave]

This has been an odd case almost from the beginning. Not odd in that she tried to do this. An anti gun nut will try anything.

No, odd in the reactions coming from the left. We know they hate guns, and we know they hate self defense, and we know they hate BRUEN.

But immediately, we gone pushback from the likes of Ted Lieu and others.
And then democratic sheriffs, AG and DA, Biden Judge, et.
I started reading articles from leftist rags like Axios, AP, Slate and others, and saw some very strange goings on there: some objectivity and criticism of her stance. Very strange indeed.

Oh, she got her support from the likes of E. Warren and others, but by and large she got a lot more criticism than public support. And from some of the strangest places.

I can only conjecture that the left is wary of this edict because they know it can work both ways. If they let her get aways with this, what is not to say that conservative Govenor's and AG can't proclaim edits and bypass the legislative process, by lets say declaring a 'societal emergency' and declaring laws against gender parental notification null and void?

Maybe they see the writing on the wall? Let's hope so and enough of this nonsense.

I agree with the your original observation, but I'd like to offer a different cause. Self awareness does not seem to be a strength of the D, and I don't see them exercising a great deal of restraint.

One reason I have heard is it just doesn't pass the public's smell test. And the powers that be don't want to associate "gun control" with not passing the smell test. It can't be unconstitutionality aspect, they seem to readily support bills that routinely get overturned.

Or maybe they figured the courts would just take longer. Maybe they were hoping the courts would take the year or two, during which time the emergency order would have been extended (because it things aren't improving yet), with the hope that things might get better before the plug gets pulled.

[darkwater34]

We need to seriously put an end to anyone trying to pass a law or implement any type of executive order that infringes the Second Amendment period. We need to make a law that makes it an out right criminal office that carries a heavy penalty. Penalty being a life in prison, 2 million dollar fine or both for even trying to implement any law that infringes the Second Amendment. This way there are no more of hashing out unconstitutional laws in the court systems.

[darkwater34]

She modified her executive order to sensitive places. If she still gets this she will modify it later to a mandatory suspension for the whole State of New Mexico. Need to put out the embers to this executive order snuff it out make it go away.

[AlmostHeaven]

We need to seriously put an end to anyone trying to pass a law or implement any type of executive order that infringes the Second Amendment period. We need to make a law that makes it an out right criminal office that carries a heavy penalty. Penalty being a life in prison, 2 million dollar fine or both for even trying to implement any law that infringes the Second Amendment. This way there are no more of hashing out unconstitutional laws in the court systems.

Unfortunately, neither Congress nor any state legislature would enact such policies that would endanger themselves.

[captn-tin]

D E says "These Dem Governors and judges publicly claim public health Trumps 2A" I don't think any argument trumps "Trumps 2A"

[darkwater34]

Same here you just cannot suspend the Constitution of the United States for some bull manure propaganda executive order.

[WithinReason]

Agreed.

[Rickybillegas]

I read Mark Smiths take on this, and it differs from mine.
He theorizes that the reason many leftists rushed to criticize Grisham is that
her edict belies their agenda. They want a 'stealth' approach to gun control, rather than a bald faced totalitarian edict. They want to sound reasonable and dignified to many gun owners that are low information, or those that don't hate guns. That is a pretty big swath of voters, several million at least.

In other words, she yelled "I hate guns!!" rather than what they want her to say; "I respect the 2nd amendment (lie), but we need sensible gun control because guns are the leading cause of children's deaths (lie)."

Well, maybe he's right, but the only hesitation I have with this theory is that
Gabby and Beto both yelled "I hate guns!!" too and they only got cheers from the left.

[AlmostHeaven]

I read Mark Smiths take on this, and it differs from mine.
He theorizes that the reason many leftists rushed to criticize Grisham is that
her edict belies their agenda. They want a 'stealth' approach to gun control, rather than a bald faced totalitarian edict. They want to sound reasonable and dignified to many gun owners that are low information, or those that don't hate guns. That is a pretty big swath of voters, several million at least.

In other words, she yelled "I hate guns!!" rather than what they want her to say; "I respect the 2nd amendment (lie), but we need sensible gun control because guns are the leading cause of children's deaths (lie)."

Well, maybe he's right, but the only hesitation I have with this theory is that
Gabby and Beto both yelled "I hate guns!!" too and they only got cheers from the left.

The swing state strategy differs from the liberal state approach. Mark Smith discussed the methods gun control organizations use to deceive moderate voters in places like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Beto O'Rourke shouting to ban guns happened in front of an audience of far-left activists.