NYSRPA vs. Bruen and Post Offices

[CurlyDave]

Are there any lawsuits to challenge the concealed carry ban at Post Offices? It seems to me that they fall well outside the list of sensitive places and the current ban has to fall eventually.

I hate having to go to a Post Office because of the ban and do it as little as possible. I have to park in somewhere else, store my gun in my car and then park somewhere other than in the Post Office lot to both be legal and have a chance of my car not being broken into.

This is a continuing rights violation that needs to end.

[9Cal_OC]

Be the first to start the lawsuit

The chip away faster than we can fight them off. The rights of many are given up for the actions of a few. They should just keep the ban to affect govt employees.

[green grunt]

at one time you could carry in the parking lot , not the buildings ....then the politicians did not like it... so...they reversed the law , no carry anywhere on USPS property now... and the USPS IS NOT a Fed. agency anymore... go figure

[Epaphroditus]

Concealed is concealed and there are no metal detectors.

[Aragorn]

Agree. This has been ridiculous for decades.

But will need a 10 year lawsuit to accomplish. Else Real conservative control of Congress and WH to pass new Federal law.

[press1280]

Are there any lawsuits to challenge the concealed carry ban at Post Offices? It seems to me that they fall well outside the list of sensitive places and the current ban has to fall eventually.

I hate having to go to a Post Office because of the ban and do it as little as possible. I have to park in somewhere else, store my gun in my car and then park somewhere other than in the Post Office lot to both be legal and have a chance of my car not being broken into.

This is a continuing rights violation that needs to end.

Unaware of any currently. Bonidy vs. USPS failed but that was pre-Bruen.

The parking lot ban would probably fall. Inside the building more difficult.

[Jeepergeo]

at one time you could carry in the parking lot , not the buildings ....then the politicians did not like it... so...they reversed the law , no carry anywhere on USPS property now... and the USPS IS NOT a Fed. agency anymore... go figure

It's big Union and Unions grease the Politicians. If Darwinian evolution and the free market were not throttled by government, the postal service would have ceased to exist in the 1970s or 1980s....but then where would the Feds put all the slackers and Affirmative Action folks?

[Epaphroditus]

Postal service will never vanish as it's a constitutionally mandated activity. Barring an amendment it stays.

[BAJ475]

Unaware of any currently. Bonidy vs. USPS failed but that was pre-Bruen.

The parking lot ban would probably fall. Inside the building more difficult.

Why? Post office lobbies are places where the public commonly congregates and there is no history from the founding era prohibiting carrying in such lobbies. Bondy would be of little importance because the court utilized intermediate scrutiny, which was totally debunked in Bruen, and the fact that Heller held that longstanding prohibitions of carrying in government buildings were presumptively constitutional. What the Bonidy court failed to do was consider how longstanding the regulations were and, in fact, totally ignored this requirement. Now that Bruen has defined what longstanding means Bonidy is not worth the paper it is written on.

[DolphinFan]

Text/History/Tradition between 1790-1869 would suggest no restrictions on carrying at the PO in Publicly Accessible Areas.

[Flintlock Tom]

I would not mind carrying concealed in the post Office except that one condition of my carry permit is to not carry in "posted locations". The consequence of being caught doing so could mean the loss of my permit.

[BAJ475]

I would not mind carrying concealed in the post Office except that one condition of my carry permit is to not carry in "posted locations". The consequence of being caught doing so could mean the loss of my permit.

OK, but under Bruen there is a very strong argument that prohibiting carrying in Post Office lobbies and parking lots is unconstitutional. No signs and you would be good to go. Also, there is the additional argument that your IA's condition of not carrying in posted locations that are not true sensitive places is equally unconstitutional. Bruen makes it clear that issuing authorities cannot impose conditions that are not supported by history and tradition from the founding era. We just need someone to convince the USPO to change their regulations or to file suit if they refuse.

[Flintlock Tom]

OK, but under Bruen there is a very strong argument that prohibiting carrying in Post Office lobbies and parking lots is unconstitutional. No signs and you would be good to go. Also, there is the additional argument that your IA's condition of not carrying in posted locations that are not true sensitive places is equally unconstitutional. Bruen makes it clear that issuing authorities cannot impose conditions that are not supported by history and tradition from the founding era. We just need someone to convince the USPO to change their regulations or to file suit if they refuse.

I agree, however, my local sheriff has the authority to pull my permit for any reason; I don't intend to give him one...

I also agree that requiring a permit to carry is also unconstitutional.

[BAJ475]

I agree, however, my local sheriff has the authority to pull my permit for any reason; I don't intend to give him one...

I also agree that requiring a permit to carry is also unconstitutional.

I'm confused. It sounds like you are speaking of a CA permit (pull for any reason) but your location says Kalmath Falls.

[Flintlock Tom]

I'm confused. It sounds like you are speaking of a CA permit (pull for any reason) but your location says Kalmath Falls.

Our sheriff has sole discretion over concealed carry permits, however he is a rabidly conservative Christian and wants to be re-elected...