ATF Letter on Forced Reset Triggers

[IVC]

Just got this today in the e-mail (I have FFL-03 for CA reasons).

Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. (Emphasis added.)

Alphonso Hughes
Assistant Director
Enforcement Programs and Services

George Lauder
Assistant Director
Field Operations

Discussion below, the OP is clean just to keep the record of the letter.

[IVC]

The quote uses the phrase "single function of the trigger," yet they determined "single, continuous pull of the trigger." A subtle, but meaningful difference because bump stocks fit the latter definition too, as well as *any* semiautomatic trigger if a person operates the firearm instead of the trigger (think about pushing a handgun into the firing hand which keeps the finger on the trigger, so technically it's "possible" to fire the gun with "continuous pull of the trigger.")

This one is going to be interesting to follow because there is litigation going on at the moment. The new SCOTUS justice, whose primary qualification per the president himself is that she's "a black woman," and whose judicial record is that of severe activism, at least won't change the balance on the court if this eventually gets all the way up.

[bohoki]

I guess my thumb and a belt loop are machine guns too...

i can see both sides of this issue

on the frt side if you go limp on the trigger it stops so it is trigger pull that keeps it going many guns have used a forced reset in the past ie the cobray m-11 and similiar although it is not as smooth and rudimentary(slightly painful) compared to the finely tuned frt the atf has never required anyone to remove their finger from the trigger to institute another trigger pull and if one were to put a force gauge on the trigger finger of a glove of someone using such device you would notice pulsing which would indicate that its the finger pulling on the trigger


on the atf side it looks "too easy" compared to bumpfiring which takes a small amount of talent to perform compared to just dynamic tension of your finger which they claim is one function and could be replicated by attaching a fish scale to the trigger

of course we have already had the opinion with the akins accelerator stock that the spring is what makes it the machine gun so the fish scale is the "machine gun"

i guess they are going to attempt to go after FFLs if they transfer a firearm with such device installed of course there is no requirement for which drop in trigger is installed to be reported but we may get a case along the lines of a confidential informant doing a sting on an FFL it would be easier for the atf to get case law that way since it is one of their licencees not complying with their own "regulations" and would avoid the whole can of worms with atf charging the manufacturer or average user and having to provide clear "definitions"


so all FFLs should now be diligint to not transfer any firearm with the frt trigger installed

but i am not a lawyer all my information is for entertainment purposes only

[sigstroker]

Bully tactics now, before resolution of the court case. They want to kill Rare Breed's business and scare anyone that owns one into destroying theirs.

[sfvshooter]

...whose judicial record is that of severe activism...

[IVC]

Ignoring the law or twisting the facts in order to to come up with the interpretation that matches judge's policy preferences is the definition of activism. The justice-elect has a history of reversals based on doing precisely this.

If you're confused, not being able to define "a woman" should tell you everything. The laws were written with the clear understanding and definition of what "a woman" means, but she's keeping the door open to simply switch her preferred definition in order to achieve the desired policy outcome. That's miscarriage of justice because she can effectively change the law by changing the definitions into something that the law clearly didn't address.

Imagine a right-wing activist judge (which we don't have; we have centrists, which is the originalists, and left-wing activists) playing game with, e.g., guns - declare that a gun can be a child, then say that children are allowed everywhere and nobody needs a permit for a child, and voila, we have reversal of the NFA and all other gun laws. And claiming "gun = child" is logically equivalent to claiming "man who puts makeup on = woman." Both are preposterous and idiotic.

[bohoki]

Ignoring the law or twisting the facts in order to to come up with the interpretation that matches judge's policy preferences is the definition of activism. The justice-elect has a history of reversals based on doing precisely this.

If you're confused, not being able to define "a woman" should tell you everything. The laws were written with the clear understanding and definition of what "a woman" means, but she's keeping the door open to simply switch her preferred definition in order to achieve the desired policy outcome. That's miscarriage of justice because she can effectively change the law by changing the definitions into something that the law clearly didn't address.

Imagine a right-wing activist judge (which we don't have; we have centrists, which is the originalists, and left-wing activists) playing game with, e.g., guns - declare that a gun can be a child, then say that children are allowed everywhere and nobody needs a permit for a child, and voila, we have reversal of the NFA and all other gun laws. And claiming "gun = child" is logically equivalent to claiming "man who puts makeup on = woman." Both are preposterous and idiotic.

its hard to believe that saying "a woman is a human female over the age of 18" is a hateful statement

the only way to score a judge is to check their appeals if they are overturned more than affirmed they are not a good judge

[sigstroker]

its hard to believe that saying "a woman is a human female over the age of 18" is a hateful statement

Trannies would disagree w/you. That's the point. She doesn't want to upset trannies, or big fans of trannies, which seems to be about half of the dem party.

the only way to score a judge is to check their appeals if they are overturned more than affirmed they are not a good judge

Maybe. Depends of what the appeals court is like. We'd probably love a judge that gets overturned a lot by the 9th.

[sigstroker]

Bully tactics now, before resolution of the court case. They want to kill Rare Breed's business and scare anyone that owns one into destroying theirs.

Apparently MGnG and I are of like mind on this issue.

[cz74]

Even us C&R collectors got the threatening blast from ATF today.

[spyde12]

Everyone needs to sign this

https://tinyurl.com/4uerj3e9

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[gobler]

Signed

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[TruOil]

Trannies would disagree w/you. That's the point. She doesn't want to upset trannies, or big fans of trannies, which seems to be about half of the dem party.

I agree to a point. What she was saying is that there may be a biological definition of "female", but given the current woke culture, as well as the various anti-discrimination laws on the books, it is a legislative function, not a judicial function to define "woman." And although senators love to ask "gotcha" questions, the fact of the matter is that a judicial nominee has to be excruciatingly circumspect in his/her answers to avoid being called to recuse because a prior statement could be construed as "prejudging" an issue before the court.