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  • bigdaddyz1776
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    • Nov 2021
    • 265

    The gun reform debate is not impenetrable and just ask gun owners

    From The Hill.

    The gun reform debate is not impenetrable — just ask gun owners


    2021 saw a spike in gun violence that surpassed even the 2020 surge. At least 12 major U.S. cities broke homicide records, police departments nationwide seized record numbers of illegal guns, and mass shootings like the tragedy at Michigan’s Oxford High School continue to dominate headlines.

    If we want 2022 to look any different, the moment is now for serious, sustained countermeasures to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. We must not stand silent, yet that’s exactly what Congress seems intent on doing — a silence rooted in the belief that there is an impenetrable divide between gun owners and non-gun owners on gun legislation. But a poll by 97Percent and Beacon Research proves that notion is wrong.

    The poll of more than 1,000 gun owners across the country found that an overwhelming majority support key gun safety policies, including Republicans and National Rifle Association (NRA) members. But most critically, when asked how many of their peers support these policies, the numbers disintegrated.

    As two people on opposite sides of the aisle — who have worked with this kind of data, strategizing on how to move the needle on intractable issues — this disconnect between reality and presumption reveals an opening.

    Eighty-six percent of the gun owners polled said they support universal background checks, with 84 percent of Republicans and 80 percent of NRA members surveyed voicing support. Sixty-seven percent of the gun owners surveyed support “red flag” laws (61 percent Republicans and 57 percent NRA members), which allow police to temporarily remove guns from a person deemed dangerous to themselves or others. Domestic violence offender restrictions, safe storage requirements and distinct markings requirements all polled above 70 percent.

    While other polls have included gun owners in their sample, the 97Percent-Beacon Research poll is one of the only polls to exclusively survey gun owners. This matters because when comparing with polls of the general population, the data suggest gun owners view gun violence as a bigger problem than non-gun owners. For example, Pew Research’s poll from September 2020 found that 48 percent of Americans see gun violence as a very big problem, whereas the 97Percent-Beacon poll found that number to be 70 percent among gun owners. And while a November Gallup poll showed a five-percentage-point drop in support for gun safety measures among the general public (52 percent overall), the Beacon poll demonstrates that gun owners feel differently.

    But the striking misconception the 97Percent-Beacon Research poll revealed is that gun owners assume their peers do not agree with them. For example, 67 percent of those surveyed support red flag laws, but just 26 percent think other gun owners support them.

    It’s not hard to come up with reasons why. From the Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal to the New York gun permit law being debated by the Supreme Court to the stalemate on gun reform in Congress, the news we’re bombarded with every day suggests anything other than gun owners wanting stricter gun laws. And let us not forget that the most well-known and successful special interest group in America — the NRA — has pushed the narrative that gun owners are opposed to any form of gun safety legislation. That’s because they know that any reasonable gun reforms need the buy-in of gun owners.

    It’s time to bring gun owners into the fold. They are the missing piece of the puzzle. One of the keys to passing the Brady Bill and other landmark gun safety legislation was building a wide-ranging coalition that ran the gamut from victims to police officers. It is time to take the next, crucial step in widening that coalition to include gun owners. Imagine gun owners testifying before a congressional committee, calling upon their senators to pass legislation and joining gun safety groups at rallies.

    But advocating for change is a daunting, near impossible ask when you feel like you’re on an island. Joining a coalition is more inviting and realistic when you know you’re surrounded by like-minded folks ready to stand by you.

    That’s why gun owners need to know other gun owners are united in wanting stricter gun laws. Armed with this knowledge, it will ease the pathway to gun owners speaking out and taking control of their own narrative. And it is the responsibility of gun safety organizations to make gun owners feel supported, not marginalized, in advocating for change. Gun owners must be brought into the gun safety conversation, not left out.

    The gun divide is not impenetrable. It’s time we start acting like it.
    Gun Safety is quite a loaded term these days since gun safety for a Republican is something along the lines of like teaching kids in school over how to safely handle a gun and following the basic rules.

    For a Democrats, whatever is about to come out of their mouths, it will rhyme with "scary black rifle" and "you dont need 30 clips" and "AR-14s are for lying dog faced pony soldiers" and "ban the baby killer" and "ban the gun that goes pew pew pew" and "muh weapons of war" and ban features like pistol grips, that make it much harder to control the weapon.

    I also notice that this article doesn't mention "defund the police" as well and the BLM summer of love rioting and looting.
  • #2
    Librarian
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    • Oct 2005
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    Look at the actual poll - https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...rs+-+FINAL.pdf

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    Self-identified gun owners.

    Allow me to be very skeptical of their survey sample.
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    • #3
      Jeepergeo
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      • Feb 2012
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      Let's get 'Yellow Flag' laws in place so that fake news 'journalists' and tilted polsters can be put into time out for as long as needed for a complete and thorough investigation into their article or poll to be conducted to determine their guilt or innocence in producing fake news or tilted polls. If guilty, their computers, pens, and papers will be confiscated and they will be required to register as a fraudster.
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      • #4
        randomBytes
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1607

        Step one is to recognize that "gun safety" has nothing to do with "safety".

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        • #5
          Thoughts
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2014
          • 523

          Various news agencies were claiming 90% or more in favor of universal background checks back in 2016, but when the actual votes were counted in Nevada and Maine, the results were closer to 50%. Personally, I will believe votes a lot more than "independent polls".

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          • #6
            bigdaddyz1776
            Member
            • Nov 2021
            • 265

            Originally posted by Thoughts
            Various news agencies were claiming 90% or more in favor of universal background checks back in 2016, but when the actual votes were counted in Nevada and Maine, the results were closer to 50%. Personally, I will believe votes a lot more than "independent polls".
            Polls are always samples and polling since 2016, has been an overall failure.

            Elections, assuming they aren't affected by mysterious 4am ballot drops, are definitely the most reliable.

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            • #7
              1911RONIN
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              • Mar 2011
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              That the Hill drew from a non-random sampled poll and actually published this is embarrassing.


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              • #8
                TrappedinCalifornia
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                • Jan 2018
                • 8091

                One of the things never talked about in the results, if the results even include something along these lines (which this one does), is the difference between gun owners 'agreeing' with the general sentiment, but predominantly not trusting Government with the power. For instance, if you follow Librarian's link to the actual survey, while it shows a clear majority supporting things such as background checks and red flag laws, it also shows a clear plurality/majority who feel that such would be...

                A slippery slope toward the government taking away guns. and

                It's a divide we see on Calguns. Ask if members support a background check to prevent criminals or the mentally ill from obtaining firearms and you typically get a majority saying "Yes." But, the comments section is filled with the caveat that we don't trust Government to properly dispose of such checks and not keep them for future, nefarious use. Not to mention that the Government is already doing so, to whatever degree, despite there being laws to preclude it.

                The same thing with 'red flag' laws. While we generally agree that violent partners should not have guns, we see such laws as just waiting to be abused because they are already abused by both the complaining partners and the Government.

                So, they aren't exactly "lying" when they say a majority of gun owners 'support' the idea. They just don't say "in theory" and/or talk about (or even ask) if gun owners trust the Government with such powers; which we don't and for good reason.

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                • #9
                  GregW948
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                  • Jan 2018
                  • 449

                  When they stop the inner city random gang/criminal violence first (never), I will talk about gun control (never)

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                    • #11
                      Capybara
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                      • Feb 2012
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                      All gun laws are Unconstitutional. Mic drop.

                      All of the rest of the anti's blather is just that, blather. The government doesn't want civilians armed because it's been proven throughout history that guns will likely be used to depose the government at some point. For them, it's simple self-preservation. Disarmed populace equals unbridled power and tyranny from the state. Debates over gun safety, registration, government overreach are pointless. There is and has been no conversation, just talk, talk, talk about how to relieve us of more of our individual and civil rights. Done. End of "conversation".
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                      • #12
                        bigdaddyz1776
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                        • Nov 2021
                        • 265

                        Apparently looks like they are resurrecting the idea that guns mean a young man is compensating for something else.

                        Funny enough I have seen pushback from a few woke progressives against that idea, not because of the gun stuff but because it is harmful towards folks who probably were not gifted and is body shaming, which is kind of valid but missed the overall point.



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                        • #13
                          the_tunaman
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                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2274

                          Originally posted by GregW948
                          When they stop the inner city random gang/criminal violence first (never), I will talk about gun control (never)
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                          • #14
                            ja308
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                            Originally posted by 1911RONIN
                            That the Hill drew from a non-random sampled poll and actually published this is embarrassing.


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                            The Hill like other democrat institutions are incapable of being embarrassed.
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                            • #15
                              Mute
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                              • Oct 2005
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                              Pffttt. The Hill. I might as well listen to CNN also.
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