Hawaii files bill to nullify NYSRPA opinion

[dawgcasa]

Can't SCOTUS see what these states are trying and nix it in the opinion? Like wouldn't you wait til after the opinion to try this bs?

[abinsinia]

I suspect SCOTUS will also force open carry without restrictions like training , permitts, and carrying a stun gun.

So what will happen in Hawaii is everyone will just open carry. Won't that be interesting ?

[TruOil]

I hope that SCOTUS is quite clear that shall issue means just that: if you can pass a background check the government must issue a carry permit. Given the question presented, that is most likely to be issuance of a CCW. Validating universal open carry seems to me, in this day and age, notwithstanding history, a bridge too far. But shall issue also must me "without fulfilling a bunch of preconditions to issuance" that result in, for most applicants, too high a bar to the exercise of their right. For example, all of the voting laws enacted in the south to make it nearly impossible for any blacks to vote were ultimately overturned (although it took an act of Congress to do it, as I recall). Restrictions such as these proposals are intended to implement a bar to anyone other than those already issued permits (cops and security guards), and as such are a carry ban in effect if not in word--just like the Hawaii law up on appeal in Young.

[pacrat]

I hope that SCOTUS is quite clear that shall issue means just that: if you can pass a background check the government must issue a carry permit. Given the question presented, that is most likely to be issuance of a CCW. Validating universal open carry seems to me, in this day and age, notwithstanding history, a bridge too far. But shall issue also must me "without fulfilling a bunch of preconditions to issuance" that result in, for most applicants, too high a bar to the exercise of their right. For example, all of the voting laws enacted in the south to make it nearly impossible for any blacks to vote were ultimately overturned (although it took an act of Congress to do it, as I recall). Restrictions such as these proposals are intended to implement a bar to anyone other than those already issued permits (cops and security guards), and as such are a carry ban in effect if not in word--just like the Hawaii law up on appeal in Young.

I concur with all of the above. My own pet peeve is the equivalent of a "POLL TAX" in order to exercise an enumerated right.

Right now in LA Cnty. Issuance has begun for a very small segment of the population. But excludes any, or all, lower income citizens. Even though they are the ones living in higher crime areas. Where likelihood that a CCW would be needed is higher.

The CCW POLL TAX is north of $500 at MINIMUM.

If any STATE can by law mandate extraneous requirements for exercising a CIVIL RIGHT. That STATE should foot the bill covering the cost of THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

[ddestruel]

It’s not a poll tax it’s just straight up a “carry tax”.



On another thought how big can you make the umbrella of slowing down the government ban train

Are gas powered chainsaws, lawnmowers or generators a self defense arm/tool without them now that ca has banned them you have one less tool at your disposal to defend yourself from a fire.

Self defense doesnt just include defense from armed assault, animals or natural conditions create situations that involve selfdefense

[Texasgrillchef]

If you noticed there is an OR…

So an NRA basic pistol course still counts.

But I do agree with the rest of the positions. There is no exemption for instructors apparently. Because I teach NRA basic pistol courses.

And once every 6 months. After about 2 years… people would have the class memorized.

If they do exempt instructors… then you would find people becoming NRA firearms instructors.

I don’t think this bill will pass. They are jumping the gun too, because we don’t even know how SCOTUS will write their opinion.

They may limit scrutiny. As well

We all are all jumping the gun until we know what the opinion will say.

[Texasgrillchef]

Don’t forget that the Young v Hawaii open carry case is on hold pending the NYSPRA case as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if they write a short opinion for Young v Hawaii as well

Keep in mind too that the magazine ban for NJ is also on hold pending the NYSPRA case as well. This leads me to believe that something will be said limiting scrutiny to strict.

[press1280]

I concur with all of the above. My own pet peeve is the equivalent of a "POLL TAX" in order to exercise an enumerated right.

Right now in LA Cnty. Issuance has begun for a very small segment of the population. But excludes any, or all, lower income citizens. Even though they are the ones living in higher crime areas. Where likelihood that a CCW would be needed is higher.

The CCW POLL TAX is north of $500 at MINIMUM.

If any STATE can by law mandate extraneous requirements for exercising a CIVIL RIGHT. That STATE should foot the bill covering the cost of THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

The training requirements IMO are the biggest impediment to the license poll tax. They will use the training to insist we need a license because there is no other way to prove you took a class.
Without the training requirement you just have prohibited and non prohibited individuals, something which the police should be able to determine right on the spot.

[Gryff]

Its like a race to see who can come up with the most asinine laws.

Hawaii elected Mazie Hirono as a Senator, so they are definitely going to give California a run for its money in that category.

[MonkeyMind]

How can we get the SCOTUS to start taking up cases and maybe follow the constitution?

[bigdaddyz1776]

I remember reading a couple of years ago that Hawaii passed some sort of resolution that wanted the 2A gone.

The best way to describe Hawaii, that I have heard a while ago, think of San Francisco having its own island.

The GOP is literally just a handful of people. And we think California or New York is bad enough in terms of opposition.