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  • #31
    a1c
    CGSSA Coordinator
    • Oct 2009
    • 9098

    Originally posted by BAJ475
    It neither delusion or hypocrisy. You cannot just look at the words "gun control" to understand Trump's statement. For instance, it also means having a proper grip, trigger control and hitting what you are aiming at. So you have to look at what he also said. While he said that he was for some gun control (legislation), at the same time he said that he is committed to the 2A and fully expects the NRA's support. He also mentioned Senator Cornyn, who introduced S446, a CCW reciprocity bill.
    My point is that some of you guys are giving Trump a pass for suggesting gun control measures that would have made your heads explode if they had come out of the mouth of any other president.

    It's like Trump can do no wrong with you.

    Originally posted by BAJ475
    So do not assume that he is describing what the anti-gun libs are espousing. Are you opposed to fixing NICS so that prohibited persons and nut jobs are not approved because someone dropped the ball?
    I'm not talking about fixing NICS. Obviously the system needs to be fixed and improved.
    WTB: French & Finnish firearms. WTS: raw honey, tumbled .45 ACP brass, stupid cat.

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    • #32
      IVC
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jul 2010
      • 17594

      Originally posted by a1c
      My point is that some of you guys are giving Trump a pass for suggesting gun control measures that would have made your heads explode if they had come out of the mouth of any other president.

      It's like Trump can do no wrong with you.
      Trump is negotiating on our behalf. This is the "talk" stage, not the "do" stage.

      Do you remember that the NRA issued a statement about bump stocks after Las Vegas where people like you assumed they were saying "ban bump stocks," yet it turned out to be something completely different?

      Nuances matter. Talk can be maliciously misinterpreted. Deeds is what matters. Hold your judgment until legislation is proposed.

      And yes, if Obama had said something like this, we would've been all over him. This is not hypocrisy because Obama would want to push gun control, full stop. Trump will only proceed if we get more in return. If he negotiates a bad deal for us, you can bet your bottom dollar that us, the gun owners, will hold him completely responsible in 2020.
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      • #33
        a1c
        CGSSA Coordinator
        • Oct 2009
        • 9098

        Originally posted by IVC
        Trump is negotiating on our behalf. This is the "talk" stage, not the "do" stage.
        Trump is incompetent and doesn't know what he's talking about. He was once for the AWB ban. Then he became the NRA darling. Now he's suggesting major gun control measures. I don't trust the guy one bit.

        Originally posted by IVC
        Do you remember that the NRA issued a statement about bump stocks after Las Vegas where people like you assumed they were saying "ban bump stocks," yet it turned out to be something completely different?

        Nuances matter. Talk can be maliciously misinterpreted. Deeds is what matters. Hold your judgment until legislation is proposed.
        And Trump's record suggests he's inconsistent, unpredictable, and incompetent.

        Originally posted by IVC
        And yes, if Obama had said something like this, we would've been all over him. This is not hypocrisy because Obama would want to push gun control, full stop. Trump will only proceed if we get more in return. If he negotiates a bad deal for us, you can bet your bottom dollar that us, the gun owners, will hold him completely responsible in 2020.
        Again, it's a terrible idea to want Trump to negotiate anything on our behalf. He's not the genius dealmaker some of you think he is. He has no loyalty except to himself.
        WTB: French & Finnish firearms. WTS: raw honey, tumbled .45 ACP brass, stupid cat.

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        • #34
          CAL.BAR
          CGSSA OC Chapter Leader
          • Nov 2007
          • 5632

          Originally posted by a1c
          Trump is incompetent and doesn't know what he's talking about. He was once for the AWB ban. Then he became the NRA darling. Now he's suggesting major gun control measures. I don't trust the guy one bit.



          And Trump's record suggests he's inconsistent, unpredictable, and incompetent.



          Again, it's a terrible idea to want Trump to negotiate anything on our behalf. He's not the genius dealmaker some of you think he is. He has no loyalty except to himself.
          OH the HERESY! How long did it take you to figure THAT out? About 60% of the country KNEW that BEFORE the election. (BTW - not referring to YOU personally, but the right wing in general)

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          • #35
            wpage
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2011
            • 6071

            Lil Marco Rubio another flip flop poliician...
            God so loved the world He gave His only Son... Believe in Him and have everlasting life.
            John 3:16

            NRA,,, Lifer

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99Q7pNAjvg

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            • #36
              BAJ475
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2014
              • 5044

              Originally posted by a1c
              My point is that some of you guys are giving Trump a pass for suggesting gun control measures that would have made your heads explode if they had come out of the mouth of any other president.

              It's like Trump can do no wrong with you.

              I'm not talking about fixing NICS. Obviously the system needs to be fixed and improved.
              I am not sure that I would call it a pass. I'm just not ready to criticize without seeing specific proposals in a near final form. In other words, I am not particularly concerned about what he says in negotiations. It is the final results that count. But if you want to call it a pass, that's OK with me.

              Do no wrong. That seems accurate to me, especially when I think about how things would be if Hillary had been elected. To be honest with you, I still have a Trump bumper sticker on my car and I am still giddy about his election. What I enjoy most is how he is driving the libs and MSM crazy. If his is re-elected in 2020, they will be foaming at the mouth.

              I am not happy that he increased spending to the degree he did. But he would not have gotten the long term military spending if he had not done so. And, while the deficit is critical, it was not as critical as the military funding and hopefully the infrastructure funding will boost the economy even more to offset a good portion of this spending. In any event, we cannot continue to ignore the country's deteriorating infrastructure. So in my mind he is doing what he said he would do and what needs to be done.

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              • #37
                Aeneas
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2014
                • 1127

                Originally posted by Jimi Jah
                He barely won last time and almost didn't run from all the pain Trump caused him. Wait until the gun owners go after him.
                I'm looking forward to it.

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                • #38
                  homelessdude
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 2057

                  Little Edie Munster has always been a snake. His main interest is in self preservation. Ever heard the term Fair weather friend, that's Edie. ( Marco )

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                  • #39
                    cbr9290318
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • May 2009
                    • 436

                    Say goodbye to your magazine clips. Apparently little Marco got his gun lessons from Kevin Leon. [emoji23]

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                    • #40
                      IVC
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 17594

                      Originally posted by a1c
                      Trump is incompetent and doesn't know what he's talking about. He was once for the AWB ban. Then he became the NRA darling. Now he's suggesting major gun control measures.
                      Incompetent? Based on what?

                      The guy was flying in his own 757 and built a massive empire. To call that "incompetence" is not only factually incorrect, but akin to a Walmart greeter calling the top brain surgeon "incompetent" because he heard it on TV and he really hates the guy. You do understand that what you're doing is just name calling, right?

                      Obama and both Clintons were against gay marriage before they were for it. Then they became darlings of the LGBTQBBQ community. So?

                      Originally posted by a1c
                      And Trump's record suggests he's inconsistent, unpredictable, and incompetent.
                      Childish name calling. To imply that someone who accomplished what Trump has accomplished is any of those three, let alone all three, is catastrophically stupid.

                      Stick to the facts and leave smearing to the media.

                      Originally posted by a1c
                      Again, it's a terrible idea to want Trump to negotiate anything on our behalf. He's not the genius dealmaker some of you think he is. He has no loyalty except to himself.
                      He got Neal Gorsuch confirmed when Obama couldn't push Merric Garland through. He got dozens of appellate level judges appointed. He got CCW reciprocity passed in the House. We didn't get any gun control after Las Vegas.

                      What the #@$@ are you blabbing about? (It's actually frustrating to see you posting nonsense after nonsense with just personal attacks and speculation. Stick to the facts so we can have a more civil discussion.)
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                      • #41
                        IVC
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 17594

                        Originally posted by CAL.BAR
                        OH the HERESY! How long did it take you to figure THAT out? About 60% of the country KNEW that BEFORE the election. (BTW - not referring to YOU personally, but the right wing in general)
                        Funny 60% of the country when they can look at a guy land in his own 757 to play golf on his own golf course and immediately recognize "incompetence."

                        Oh, don't forget that Rosie called him xenophobe (that's why he married a foreigner) and misogynist (that's why a woman ran his campaign).

                        Man, damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead. Facts be damned when you hate the guy...

                        Rember: *If* he sells us out, we *will* hold him accountable. Thus far, it has been a success after success for our side.
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                        • #42
                          NoNameThanks
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 34

                          Originally posted by IVC

                          He got Neal Gorsuch confirmed when Obama couldn't push Merric Garland through.
                          Originally posted by IVC

                          He got CCW reciprocity passed in the House. We didn't get any gun control after Las Vegas.

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                          • #43
                            NoNameThanks
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2016
                            • 34

                            Marco Rubio Wants Your Magazine Clips

                            Originally posted by IVC
                            Oh, don't forget that Rosie called him xenophobe (that's why he married a foreigner) and misogynist (that's why a woman ran his campaign).
                            Last edited by NoNameThanks; 02-26-2018, 10:57 AM.

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                            • #44
                              IVC
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 17594

                              The NRA talked about it too immediately after Las Vegas. Dupped quite a few folks on the left at that time too.

                              What has Trump *DONE* that I should hold against him? I looked at his *actions* and everything seems to be on the positive side. Is that wrong?
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                              • #45
                                IVC
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 17594


                                I'm pretty sure he likes women. He certainly doesn't despise them. A man who is even a bit prejudiced would never allow one to run the most important race of his life. He would not groom his daughter to run his businesses and he would actively undermine women's mobility in his companies.

                                If you want to disparage a person it's much better to start with smaller words and at least have a chance of making your point.
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