Medical Profession Wants Assault Weapons Ban

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Well, there ya go...

Trump focus on mental health after school shooting denounced

Some of the catchy sound bites...

"The vast majority of gun violence is not attributable to mental illness."

Since the shooting, his mental health has been the focus of President Donald Trump's comments... he signed a resolution blocking an Obama-era rule designed to keep guns out of the hands of certain mentally disabled people.

I guess there's a difference between those who are mentally "ill" and mentally "disabled." But, isn't that then attributing at least part of the problem to the 'disabled' while largely absolving the mentally ill?

Mental health professionals welcome more resources and attention, but they say the administration is ignoring the real problem — easy access to guns, particularly the kind of high-powered highly lethal assault weapons used in many of the most recent mass shootings.

Once again, they may be ill, which they claim isn't the problem, but if guns aren't available, then...

"We are not talking about Second Amendment rights or restricting your ability to own a firearm. We are talking about a public health crisis that our Congress has failed to address. This must end," Barbe wrote... The AMA has supported efforts to boost gun violence research, ban assault weapons and to restrict access to automatic weapons. Barbe wrote in his column that federally funded research is crucial to address an "urgent health crisis." ... recommendations include limits on high-powered, rapid-fire weapons designed to kill...

Okay. Those firearms they deem "assault weapons" are not considered part of your "Second Amendment rights," so banning them would not be restricting or limiting your ability to own a firearm and already restricted automatic weapons should be... restricted.

Don't scoff... Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules

U.S. top court spurns challenge to Maryland assault weapons ban

Based on those decisions, for now, legally, they have some legal footing to stand on with regard to an assault weapon ban. We can debate jurisdiction, specific aspects of the decisions, whether it creates precedent, etc. But, the more Circuits that support such bans, the less argument can be made for a 'split' that SCOTUS must address.

The AMA has supported efforts to boost gun violence research, ban assault weapons and to restrict access to automatic weapons. Barbe wrote in his column that federally funded research is crucial to address an "urgent health crisis."

I mean, it's not like we've had this discussion and need taxpayer funding to look into it. Oh, wait...

Firearms Inquiries in Florida: “Medical Privacy” or Medical Neglect?

What to Do When Your Doctor Asks About Guns

Should Your Doctor Ask If You Own Guns?

That last was a 2016 article which provides some guidelines put forth by those in favor of doctors inquiring about gun ownership...

...Wintemute and his team lay out some guidelines for some higher risk groups of people with whom doctors might want to start. Most obviously, asking about guns is important when the patient has a history of violence or is talking about doing harm to himself or others... serious mental illness, including dementia, can also put people at risk of harm if guns are around... middle-aged white males and young African-American males. Both groups are at higher risk statistically for gun-related injuries, whether by homicide or suicide (middle-aged white men are, for example, at five times higher risk of suicide than black men of the same age). Children and teens also fall into this category, for slightly different reasons — with them, they may not be developmentally or emotionally mature enough to consider the consequences of handling a gun... Wintemute says that “I don’t ask [questions about guns} of everybody; I don’t want to waste their time. But if I sense mental distress of any kind, I will pursue that. And I get a sense of some risk factors, I will talk about the risk factors and fold in firearms into those questions.” (emphasis mine)

Good to know. Uh... Wait... I thought we were just told: "The vast majority of gun violence is not attributable to mental illness."

I'm confused. Then again, it is the 'logic' used by anti-civil rights activists.

[CessnaDriver]

The vast majority of "assault weapon" owners do not commit any acts of violence with them. In fact statistically it's probably nearly zero.
SO where does that leave them with their "vast majority" logic?

[johnthomas]

Nope, no, Nada, jo, je, nein, ne, he, nem, nr, nee, non. Hell no.

https://www.indifferentlanguages.com/words/no#region-1

[Jimi Jah]

The guy in Nice killed over 90 with a truck. Car wrecks kill 50,000 per year. Should we ban those?

BTW, medical mistakes are the largest source of deaths in the USA, 1/2 million per year. Maybe we should ban killer doctors too?

[Vlad 11]

How many thousands die due to pharmaceuticals?

[speedrrracer]

The medical profession has long been a laughing stock when it dips into political matters.

They used to claim anabolic steroids didn't enhance athletic performance, because they didn't want to be implicated in the abuse of anabolics

They'll do anything to cover their arses, and right now it's all about "Don't let people realize that the mentally ill are killing people, because then they'll blame us for not being able to fix the mentally ill that were brought to us for care"

[CessnaDriver]

The medical profession has long been a laughing stock when it dips into political matters.

They used to claim anabolic steroids didn't enhance athletic performance, because they didn't want to be implicated in the abuse of anabolics

They'll do anything to cover their arses, and right now it's all about "Don't let people realize that the mentally ill are killing people, because then they'll blame us for not being able to fix the mentally ill that were brought to us for care"

Agreed this is CYA, but I think it's unnecessary, nobody is blaming doctors right now but I'm sure they are concerned about our litigation nation.

[MudCamper]

"Medical profession wants assault weapon ban." = "Medical profession shows it's ignorance of firearms."

Ban the most popular rifle in the country, and maniacs will just use the next most popular rifle, to the same effect.

[weaselfire]

For what it's worth, I discuss firearms with almost all my doctors. My primary does annual lead testing, I talk with another about new guns and his hunting lease, one is a reloader and bench rest shooter...

If I had a doctor I felt uncomfortable discussing guns, or anything else, with, I'd find a new doctor. Medical treatment requires full honesty on both sides.

Jeff

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[green grunt]

WE are more likely to have a medical misadventure that kills us then being killed by a firearm.... so I read somewhere....and the Doc's want to ban guns ? ....

[negolien]

Um it's already against the law for mentally ill people to have firearms so update hipa work out a way to get yuor weapons back when found competent..That could have stopped quite a few shootings including Sandy hook if you think not YOU are the problem. There was 0 reason for the lansa household to have weapons since he was an obvious lunatic under a doctors care. There are responsible gun owners and gun idiots. Those that want 0 challenges to guns are the gun idiots.

[Blade Gunner]

Well, there ya go...

Trump focus on mental health after school shooting denounced

Some of the catchy sound bites...

"The vast majority of gun violence is not attributable to mental illness."

Since the shooting, his mental health has been the focus of President Donald Trump's comments... he signed a resolution blocking an Obama-era rule designed to keep guns out of the hands of certain mentally disabled people.

I guess there's a difference between those who are mentally "ill" and mentally "disabled." But, isn't that then attributing at least part of the problem to the 'disabled' while largely absolving the mentally ill?



Once again, they may be ill, which they claim isn't the problem, but if guns aren't available, then...

"We are not talking about Second Amendment rights or restricting your ability to own a firearm. We are talking about a public health crisis that our Congress has failed to address. This must end," Barbe wrote... The AMA has supported efforts to boost gun violence research, ban assault weapons and to restrict access to automatic weapons. Barbe wrote in his column that federally funded research is crucial to address an "urgent health crisis." ... recommendations include limits on high-powered, rapid-fire weapons designed to kill...

Okay. Those firearms they deem "assault weapons" are not considered part of your "Second Amendment rights," so banning them would not be restricting or limiting your ability to own a firearm and already restricted automatic weapons should be... restricted.

Don't scoff... Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules

U.S. top court spurns challenge to Maryland assault weapons ban

Based on those decisions, for now, legally, they have some legal footing to stand on with regard to an assault weapon ban. We can debate jurisdiction, specific aspects of the decisions, whether it creates precedent, etc. But, the more Circuits that support such bans, the less argument can be made for a 'split' that SCOTUS must address.

The AMA has supported efforts to boost gun violence research, ban assault weapons and to restrict access to automatic weapons. Barbe wrote in his column that federally funded research is crucial to address an "urgent health crisis."

I mean, it's not like we've had this discussion and need taxpayer funding to look into it. Oh, wait...



What to Do When Your Doctor Asks About Guns

Should Your Doctor Ask If You Own Guns?

That last was a 2016 article which provides some guidelines put forth by those in favor of doctors inquiring about gun ownership...

...Wintemute and his team lay out some guidelines for some higher risk groups of people with whom doctors might want to start. Most obviously, asking about guns is important when the patient has a history of violence or is talking about doing harm to himself or others... serious mental illness, including dementia, can also put people at risk of harm if guns are around... middle-aged white males and young African-American males. Both groups are at higher risk statistically for gun-related injuries, whether by homicide or suicidemay not be developmentally or emotionally mature enoughmental distress of any kind (emphasis mine)

Good to know. Uh... Wait... I thought we were just told: "The vast majority of gun violence is not attributable to mental illness."

I'm confused. Then again, it is the 'logic' used by anti-civil rights activists.

This is just the medical profession passing the buck, following their progressive overseers, and piling on the anti 2A bandwagon.

[Citation650]

I use to flight instruct a lot of doctors. Other than their own field, they were mostly ignorant.

[dustoff31]

The AMA hardly represents the medical profession. Don't believe me? 4 out of 5 doctors do.

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/is-the-ama-really-the-voice-of-physicians-in-the-us/

5. The media often quotes the AMA as being the voice of doctors. Yet, less than 20% of physicians in our country are even members. When doctors see these things in the media, it further tears down our trust because we have not been asked where we stand on the issues. While, they are speaking up that they are representing us. No, they are not and the media and general public need to learn that the AMA no longer represents the majority of doctors in the US. Perhaps, it is time for them to investigate what they have done to drive doctors away.

[GDC]

Some of the catchy sound bites...

"The vast majority of gun violence is not attributable to mental illness."

They are not attributable to mental illness, the vast majority of gun murder criminals killing criminals. Up to 90%.

The vast majority of US mass murder of children is mental illness, like Australia (where they have seen as much mass murder of children after gun an as before).

But in fact one must keep in mind that US murder of children is way down , down even more tan the large decline in US murder rates overall

Since the shooting, his mental health has been the focus of President Donald Trump's comments... he signed a resolution blocking an Obama-era rule designed to keep guns out of the hands of certain mentally disabled people.

those people who were banned under that law had not been committing murders. Not one of the "notable" school shootings the media is talking about would have been affected if that law were in place. Not one. There was and is ZERO evidence that this cohort prohibited in that reg had an elevated rate of mudder or violence commission.None

among the problems with that regulation, which Trump correctly ended, is that it and laws like it decrease the chance that persons with any mental health issue will seek treatment of counseling.

[I]...Wintemute and his team lay out some guidelines for some higher risk groups of people with whom doctors might want to start. Most obviously, asking about guns is important when the patient has a history of violence or is talking about doing harm to himself or others... serious mental illness, including dementia, can also put people at risk of harm if guns are around... middle-aged white males and young African-American males. Both groups are at higher risk statistically for gun-related injuries, whether by homicide or suicide (middle-aged white men are, for example, at five times higher risk of suicide than black men of the same age).

That isn't true thought at all. Young African American males are about 3% of the US population and commit 40% to 45%of US murder. Black males from 17-55 are about 6% of the US population and commit about 50% of US murder and gun crime.

The only elevated white male number by gun ownership is reported gun suicide, and all the evidence is removing guns does not change suicide rate, but simply shifts it around (see Australia which thought it had a drop but now knows they had no drop, just a shift to other means). White male NON gun suicide is also higher -- and higher worldwide. Take away gns and it does not change. Gun suicide is almost never misclassified as accident whereas other self caused death associated with suicide is very often misclassified as accident: (self poisoning, overdose, drowning a from swimming from a beach, a car with a driver and no passengers driving into an abutment, "falls" from heights, buildings or onto subway tracks, Carbon Monoxide poisoning). so access to a gun does not increase suicide risk, only increases chance it will properly be classified as suicide.

So asking white males about in ownership is idiotic since they are not at all risk group to others or to themselves if they own guns.

Black males is also complex. The statement is young black males, but actually it is all cohorts of black males that have much higher murder commission rates then the general pop or the US male pop. The risk factor within black males the real issue is prior arrests. Most black males don't have an elevated rate of murder a individuals, it is simply a subcohort. In every jurisdiction that others to look, 80%, and in the very few cities that drive the US murder rate above international means, 90% of perps AND victims have criminal histories.

In fact the bogus claim that a household with a firearm is more dangerous is an inversion. if you control out criminals who own illegal guns, remaining homes with guns appear to be about 20% safer from criminal violence than homes with no guns.

Now can you imagine the real, and only relevant questions medical practitioners should ask as it gets to the ONLY real risk factor for violence: "Do you have a carnal record, does someone in the household have one, or is someone in the household in a relationship with a person with a record?"