CRPA. The Truth About National Reciprocity and “Fix NICS”

[TRICKSTER]

http://mailchi.mp/93731c939dd0/the-truth-about-national-reciprocity-and-fix-nics?e=d1fc31ff3f

[Noble Cause]

http://mailchi.mp/93731c939dd0/the-t...s?e=d1fc31ff3f

I wish people would do more Reading and less pontification on a
subject that they obviously have not studied. But some individuals
insist that some stranger they talked to at their local Gun Store
are a more reliable source than the people who Actually Know, the
experts at The NRA and CRPA.

From the article:

MYTH:
HR 4477 will enforce an Obama-era policy that will pressure the government
to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database,
thereby denying gun purchases.

TRUTH:



So Relax.... The Sky is Not Falling...


Noble

[pacrat]

But Erich Pratt said.

Oh right, never mind. That is all his crap in the left hand column of the link.

[rootuser]

I wish people would do more Reading and less pontification on a
subject that they obviously have not studied. But some individuals
insist that some stranger they talked to at their local Gun Store
are a more reliable source than the people who Actually Know, the
experts at The NRA and CRPA.

From the article:

MYTH:
HR 4477 will enforce an Obama-era policy that will pressure the government
to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database,
thereby denying gun purchases.

TRUTH:



So Relax.... The Sky is Not Falling...


Noble

FURTHERMORE: The bill may actually correct people who are on the list that should not be. False denials are commonplace and this may help in correcting some of that with reporting standards etc.

It is DOA in the Senate at this point anyway short of some real bartering.

[ugimports]

HR38 dropped the piece about being able to have a non-resident CCW?

TRUTH: This is a complete lie in that those individuals allowed to carry across state borders must still not be prohibited from owning, possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and must have some form of identification from their home state showing that they have either met the requirements of a permit to carry concealed or they must be from a constitutional carry state.

[Mute]

HR38 dropped the piece about being able to have a non-resident CCW?

No. This has been analyzed to death a thousand times over. Non-resident CCW permits will also be given reciprocity rights based on how bill is currently written and approved by the House.

[ugimports]

No. This has been analyzed to death a thousand times over. Non-resident CCW permits will also be given reciprocity rights based on how bill is currently written and approved by the House.

That's what I thought, but the CRPA website link doesn't have that wording..perhaps on purpose..

[ja308]

This fix is great news for self protection and restoration of rights.
No other unalienable right is denied when leaving ones home state.

i.e.Amendment # 1 Sorry Mr Swamp reporter you live in Pennsylvania. As a result the right to make up fake stories does not apply in Rhode Island so you will be charged and do prison time .
Like Shannen Allen who was fortunate to be pardoned by some cal gunners favorite whipping boy Chris Christie!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/02/chris-christie-pardons-concealed-carry-owner-shaneen-allen/

New Jersey law requires a prison term for not less then 3and1/2 years !
As a side note the recently elected New Jersey governor has made statements there will be no pardons.

[ECG_88]

All the myths about fix NICS is just like how Liberals think Sanctuary Cities will keep single mothers and children from being deported, when in reality it means that Sanctuary Cities actually just refuse to turn over people arrested to ICE. That means only the CRIMINALS are being protected.

So much misinformation going around to confuse people. The truth is Sanctuary Cities are bad and Fix NICS is good.

[Citizen_B]

No. This has been analyzed to death a thousand times over. Non-resident CCW permits will also be given reciprocity rights based on how bill is currently written and approved by the House.

The House bill wording is NOT clear and this is still a debatable topic. Those that have a strong position on it just don't want to debate it anymore. The fact CPRA didn't state the issue clearly is just more evidence the House bill is poorly worded.

It doesn't matter anyway. The Senate bill clearly removes non-resident CCW reciprocity and I'll bet a beer it's the language used if this bill is passed.

[ja308]

The House bill wording is NOT clear and this is still a debatable topic. Those that have a strong position on it just don't want to debate it anymore. The fact CPRA didn't state the issue clearly is just more evidence the House bill is poorly worded.

It doesn't matter anyway. The Senate bill clearly removes non-resident CCW reciprocity and I'll bet a beer it's the language used if this bill is passed.

Where did you get this ?
Please share the source or if you like others on this forum use a crystal ball to post important information thats OK too!

[Citizen_B]

Where did you get this ?
Please share the source or if you like others on this forum use a crystal ball to post important information thats OK too!

Statement from CPRA from OP link and email distribution:

"This is a complete lie in that those individuals allowed to carry across state borders must still not be prohibited from owning, possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and must have some form of identification from their home state showing that they have either met the requirements of a permit to carry concealed or they must be from a constitutional carry state."

1) CA is not a constitutional carry state.
2) CA is a may-issue state, and as such not everyone in CA can get "some form of identification from their home state showing that they have either met the requirements of a permit to carry concealed".

This is contrary to what some believe the House bill states that any non-resident CCW allows carry in all states.

The House bill summary also says you need a CCW issued by home state. While the summary has no legal standing, it is telling another party read the bill that way.

People well versed in English and legalese speak also contend this is alternative meaning in the House bill.

However, the bill's author has verbally stated their bill really means any CCW, any state. Debate on the House floor supports this intention.

You can read the Senate bill and it clearly states CCW must be form home state. I could quote it for you but I'm lazy.

[mit31]

You are arguing that a statement from the CPRA is more binding than the actual language of the bill that was passed. There is zero mystery here. You need a CCW issued by A state, OR reside in a constitutional carry state. It really is that simple, and that is exactly what the passed house bill says.

Statement from CPRA from OP link and email distribution:

"This is a complete lie in that those individuals allowed to carry across state borders must still not be prohibited from owning, possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and must have some form of identification from their home state showing that they have either met the requirements of a permit to carry concealed or they must be from a constitutional carry state."

1) CA is not a constitutional carry state.
2) CA is a may-issue state, and as such not everyone in CA can get "some form of identification from their home state showing that they have either met the requirements of a permit to carry concealed".

This is contrary to what some believe the House bill states that any non-resident CCW allows carry in all states.

The House bill summary also says you need a CCW issued by home state. While the summary has no legal standing, it is telling another party read the bill that way.

People well versed in English and legalese speak also contend this is alternative meaning in the House bill.

However, the bill's author has verbally stated their bill really means any CCW, any state. Debate on the House floor supports this intention.

You can read the Senate bill and it clearly states CCW must be form home state. I could quote it for you but I'm lazy.

[dfletcher]

Link to the text of the Cornyn bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/text

Per the Cornyn bill (#1) allows a person with a non-res permit to carry in all states other than that of his residence. To be afforded constitutional carry reciprocity (#2) the individual must be a resident of a constitutional carry state. Am I reading incorrectly? I don't see that the CRPA summation is accurate.

[OSHAman]

Link to the text of the Cornyn bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/text

Per the Cornyn bill (#1) allows a person with a non-res permit to carry in all states other than that of his residence. To be afforded constitutional carry reciprocity (#2) the individual must be a resident of a constitutional carry state. Am I reading incorrectly? I don't see that the CRPA summation is accurate.

I agree with your assessment. Must be .... entitled and not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm in the State in which the individual resides.



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