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  • Rusty_Rebar
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 328

    Vast Majority of Guns Recovered by Police Not Carried by Legal Owners, Pitt Public He

    Interesting study. Site was loading really slow for me, so I will paste the text here



    PITTSBURGH, July 25, 2016 – Nearly 80 percent of perpetrators carrying a gun recovered by Pittsburgh Police were not the lawful owners, a strong indication that theft and trafficking are significant sources of firearms involved in crimes in southwest Pennsylvania, a new University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health analysis reveals.

    The finding suggests a timely opportunity for collaboration between public health and law enforcement officials to better understand and reduce violent crimes involving firearms. The results are published in the journal Social Medicine and funded by the former Falk Foundation.

    “Homicide by firearms continues to rank among the leading causes of death for young people in the U.S.,” said lead author Anthony Fabio, Ph.D., M.P.H., assistant professor of epidemiology at Pitt Public Health. “Given the pandemic threat in the United States of firearm violence, immediate improvement in firearm surveillance is needed to save lives. It is estimated that there are more than 300 million guns in the U.S. And we know that firearm production is increasing. In 2013, nearly 11 million firearms were manufactured in the U.S., more than double the number produced in 2008.”

    Dr. Fabio and his team analyzed 762 cases in which a gun was recovered by the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police Firearm Tracking Unit in 2008.

    In 44.3 percent of the cases where the perpetrator was not the owner of the firearm, the police could not get in contact with the owner to find out how they lost possession of it. In cases where police made contact with the original owner, more than 30 percent said they were stolen, but only 57.9 percent of those had officially reported the theft prior to recovery by police.

    Firearms reported stolen before recovery by police were owned by women 16.6 percent of the time. However, that number climbs to 19.3 percent for firearms reported stolen only after recovery by police.

    “Owners who have illegally transferred their firearm, perhaps as a straw purchase where they buy the gun for someone who otherwise would not be able to legally obtain one, may be more likely to resist attempts by police to contact them or claim the firearm was stolen after police contact them,” said Dr. Fabio. “The disparity we found in firearms reported stolen by women may be due to girlfriends and spouses making straw purchases for their male partners. But the overriding issue here is that these numbers are just estimates. Even police departments do not have the resources to accurately and consistently track firearms used in illegal activities.”

    Dr. Fabio and his co-authors recommend that more efforts be made to educate the public about safe storage of firearms and injury prevention, as well as encourage ongoing, systemic collaboration between public health and law enforcement experts to better understand and reduce violent crime and improve access to data collection on firearms.

    Additional authors on the research include Jessica Duell, M.P.H., Kathleen Creppage, M.P.H., and Ron Laporte, Ph.D., all of Pitt Public Health; and Kerry O’Donnell, M.A., of the former Falk Foundation.
    Of course there is some FUD in there, for example:

    “Homicide by firearms continues to rank among the leading causes of death for young people in the U.S.,”

    But if you actually go look at the numbers:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf (SEE TABLE 10)

    For example, for 15-24 year olds

    Accidents (unintentional injuries: 11,619
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 4,878
    Drug-induced deaths: 3,796
    Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms: 3,704
    Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances: 3,293


    None the less, it is interesting to see reports like this, something to stick in your toolbag so you can pull out some real numbers in a debate.
  • #2
    slayer61
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2014
    • 1402

    You mean to say that bad guys don't get their guns at the gun store? Do a background check, DROS or a 4473? Shocking I tell you. Shocking.
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    • #3
      Jimi Jah
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2014
      • 17759

      But, but, don't they all get them from the gun shows like they say on TV?

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      • #4
        surfgeorge
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 565

        Originally posted by Jimi Jah
        But, but, don't they all get them from the gun shows like they say on TV?
        And from the internet.

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        • #5
          Sutcliffe
          Calguns Addict
          • Mar 2003
          • 6792

          Any word on what happens to those found to be in possession?

          Shouldn't there be some kind of prison term for someone in possession of a stolen firearm?

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          • #6
            R Dale
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2015
            • 1736

            Originally posted by Sutcliffe
            Shouldn't there be some kind of prison term for someone in possession of a stolen firearm?
            There should be if it can be proved that the person caught with it knew it was stolen, however CA does not put that much importance on prosecuting people caught with stolen guns.

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            • #7
              randomBytes
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1607

              No, they get their guns from obama's book store

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              • #8
                Epaphroditus
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2013
                • 4888

                44.3% is a vast majority?
                CA firearms laws timeline BLM land maps

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                • #9
                  Rusty_Rebar
                  Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 328

                  Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                  44.3% is a vast majority?

                  Nearly 80 percent of perpetrators carrying a gun recovered by Pittsburgh Police were not the lawful owners...
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                  In 44.3 percent of the cases where the perpetrator was not the owner of the firearm, the police could not get in contact with the owner to find out how they lost possession of it.


                  Reading... it's a skill.
                  Last edited by Rusty_Rebar; 07-27-2016, 8:57 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Messerschmitts
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 882

                    We see this as evidence that gun laws are stupid, because criminals aren't doing background checks and buying guns at stores. However, gun banners will turn this around, and use it to argue that there should be no legal ownership of guns, because "you gun owners can't hold onto or keep track of your own guns. Legal gun ownership is just a repository of guns for bad guys to steal, so if we ban all legal ownership there'll be fewer guns around to steal". You can't argue with them. Black is white, up is down.

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                    • #11
                      Ford8N
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 6129

                      I'd like to know the racial break down of the "perpetrators carrying a gun" in Pittsburgh.

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