Can I PPT a handgun for my father?

[bug_eyedmonster]

Hey All,

My dad and I have been cleaning out the safes recently and came across a couple of his old handguns that he no longer shoots or wants. He and I are both in the accounting field, and he travels a significant amount. If I found a buyer for one of his old guns, can I PPT it for him, or does he need to physically be there? The guns were purchased either in the mid 80's to 1990, and to be honest, he doesn't even remember doing paperwork on half of them. Some of the stories he tells me about guns back then seem almost unrealistic compared to what we go through nowadays. Anyway, how would that work as a PPT? Would it be safer for me to do a voluntary registration on them under my name and then PPT them?

Jerry

[Mossy Man]

i've also wondered this because my dad is a busy guy, and also old

[kaged muscle]

good question

[Librarian]

I think folks miss an important thing when asking this question.

Can you legally sell anything else that you do not own?

That's different from 'could you get away with it?'

In the case of CA parents and CA children, the easiest thing to do is use intrafamilial transfer to give the guns to the 'mobile' participant, and let that person sell the guns as desired, and dispose of the proceeds as the owner chooses.

Otherwise, it would be reasonable to get a limited power of attorney from the current owner, designating someone else to act on his/her behalf in the matter of disposing of guns. The drawback here is that such a process would ordinarily result in visiting a lawyer's office to do the paperwork - and it seems just as easy for the owner to hit the LGS and PPT the guns him/herself.

[lorax3]

If you want to do it the right way, you need to get ownership of the handgun first.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=586232

[Tovarish]

I believe it only costs 19 bucks for an unlimited number of firearms.

[Marquand]

The paperwork on DOJ's website used for Intrafamiliar Transfers has space for three firearms per form to be listed and each form costs $19 to process. Can you list more than three?

[jeremiah12]

The paperwork on DOJ's website used for Intrafamiliar Transfers has space for three firearms per form to be listed and each form costs $19 to process. Can you list more than three?

If you read the small print hidden somewhere, I believe on the directions on the second page, (it is not obvious) it states if you need more space to register more firearms, print out more forms but it still only costs one $19 fee. It is not $19 per form. Most who send in $19 per form in a single envelope will have them all sent back unprocessed and the checks uncashed.

[Librarian]

Right - $19 covers all the guns you care to list with one submission of a form.

[bountyhunter]

Hey All,

My dad and I have been cleaning out the safes recently and came across a couple of his old handguns that he no longer shoots or wants. He and I are both in the accounting field, and he travels a significant amount. If I found a buyer for one of his old guns, can I PPT it for him
Jerry

You have to sign paperwork and give a thumbprint during a PPT so no, you can't do that for him.

[Tripper]

Can I PPT a handgun for my father?

I think folks miss an important thing when asking this question.

Can you legally sell anything else that you do not own?

That's different from 'could you get away with it?'

Yes, you can legally sell something you do not own, as long as you did not steel it or have permission of the owner, I called doj to ask this question, and the guy said at first it's not legal, I asked a few what ifs and he changed his answer a few times more,. He pretty much in the end alluded to the idea of 'a person could get away with it' and of course he wouldn't put it in writing. He indicated no one would ever know in the case of rifles because at the time they were not registered.
That being said, I still wouldn't do it myself, as others have said, gain ownership first

Oh, the form itself, does not ask for OWNER, it only asks for SELLER name

[retiredAFcop]

It seems like there are at least two perfectly legitimate ways for you to sell them on his behalf.

The easiest is for him to first transfer ownership to you - as others have suggested.

Another would be to look into setting up a power of attorney for you to sell them, acting as his agent (this is similar to a will's executor selling off property, and is the method you might have to use to legally transfer firearms legally owned by someone who becomes legally unable to possess them). I'm pretty sure that this option would be more expensive and time consuming than the first, so if dad can transfer them to you, that is the route to take. Librarian could probably add some technical stuff, and clarify how or why you would even consider an option like this. IANAL, just a guy sharing my thoughts on such situations.

[Librarian]

Oh, the form itself, does not ask for OWNER, it only asks for SELLER name

That's the 'get away with it' part.

[chuckshooter]

the form you will need is called a CA DOJ "power of attorney for firearms relinquishment, sale or dosposel- decalaration" you should be able to download the form, your dad's signature has to be noterized and then it's a standard PPT, It's a piece of cake. I did one for my dad's wife.
if you want to know what guns are registered to your dad, fill out the "automated firearms system (afs) request for firearm records" form and send in to DOJ. then you will know if he ever did paper work on them.

[chuckshooter]

on Intrafamiliar Transfers about how many guns, I did one with 12 handguns from father to son for a fee of $19..
also as a seller in a PPT I have never been asked to give a thumb print only as a buyer FYI