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  • deadear dan
    Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 189

    To disable internal locking system on 1911 - OK?

    I have a Springfield Loaded 1911 with an internal locking system in the mainspring housing/heavy mainspring. I would like to run very light loads for which I need to reduce the recoil spring weight as well as the mainspring. This gun is also my "house gun." In the event of a self defense shooting would a prosecuting attorney run with this modification, try to label me as reckless for disabling a "safety feature?" Gotta think it would go in that direction. Thanks.
  • #2
    keenkeen
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2011
    • 6782

    Yes you can remove the ILS if you want...no worries.

    Just get a decent one-piece magwell (S&A or better yet the Nighthawk)

    "But far more numerous was the herd of such, Who think too little and who talk too much." -John Dryden

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    • #3
      Oceanbob
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2010
      • 12719

      Originally posted by deadear dan
      I have a Springfield Loaded 1911 with an internal locking system in the mainspring housing/heavy mainspring. I would like to run very light loads for which I need to reduce the recoil spring weight as well as the mainspring. This gun is also my "house gun." In the event of a self defense shooting would a prosecuting attorney run with this modification, try to label me as reckless for disabling a "safety feature?" Gotta think it would go in that direction. Thanks.
      Never happen. ^^^^.
      May the Bridges I burn light the way.

      Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.

      Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).

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      • #4
        Sir Stunna Lot
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 845

        No PC against modifying weapons as long as the modification doesnt result in an illegal firearm.

        The entire fear that DA is tougher with modified gun is quite a big load of FUD. No case to support such yet. Just think of all the "custom" AR's out there, can you imagine a DA going after an AR used in self defense because of all of the mods!?!
        Hi

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        • #5
          NoHeavyHitter
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 2876

          I replaced the mainspring housing with one I like better and saved the original one with the lock in case I ever decide to sell the gun. Swapping it out takes less than 2 minutes and is as simple as pushing a pin..

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          • #6
            RickD427
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jan 2007
            • 9263

            Originally posted by deadear dan
            I have a Springfield Loaded 1911 with an internal locking system in the mainspring housing/heavy mainspring. I would like to run very light loads for which I need to reduce the recoil spring weight as well as the mainspring. This gun is also my "house gun." In the event of a self defense shooting would a prosecuting attorney run with this modification, try to label me as reckless for disabling a "safety feature?" Gotta think it would go in that direction. Thanks.
            IANAL, please keep that in mind, but I have handled several shootings involving private persons, and have followed the case law during more than 30 years as an LEO.

            The simple bottom line is that firearms modifications are pretty much a non-issue, unless the modification in some way affected the circumstances of the shooting. I cannot think of a set of circumstances where the removal of the ILS system would do that.

            On the the other hand, suppose you shortened the hammer hooks to .005" and set a 6 ounce trigger (Note to the 1911 smiths - I'm intentionally creating an extreme example) and then had an unintended discharge, caused by muscle "twitch" killing a compliant subject. In that event, you would likely be charged with manslaughter by the prosecuting agency. The idea being that your trigger modifications were negligent (although legal) and they resulted in a death. A death caused by the commission of a legal act, but without due caution and circumspection is manslaughter (refer to Penal Code section 192).

            I'll let the lawyers chime in more about the civil liability. You should plan on a civil lawsuit being filed in any shooting. It's rare for one go by without a corresponding suit. There is no "quality control" on the initial filing of a lawsuit. Anyone can file for any reason. There are legal avenues to quickly dispose of non-meritorious suits after they have been filed. There are also limits on the avenues that a plaintiff's attorney can pursue. The key one here is relevance. In order for a plaintiff's attorney to make an issue of the removed ILS system, they would have to show relevance of the modification.

            As a practical matter, I would be quite comfortable swapping your ILS housing for one more to your liking.
            Last edited by RickD427; 08-15-2014, 11:18 AM.
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            • #7
              e90bmw
              Senior Member
              CGN Contributor
              • May 2013
              • 1268

              Originally posted by deadear dan
              I have a Springfield Loaded 1911 with an internal locking system in the mainspring housing/heavy mainspring. I would like to run very light loads for which I need to reduce the recoil spring weight as well as the mainspring. This gun is also my "house gun." In the event of a self defense shooting would a prosecuting attorney run with this modification, try to label me as reckless for disabling a "safety feature?" Gotta think it would go in that direction. Thanks.
              Do you plan to "accidentally" shoot a bad guy?
              Or do you plan to place a "well positioned" shot into the bad guy?

              If the discharge is intentional, the trigger, action, etc. is not relevant.
              "I meant to shoot the bad guy."

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