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  • bplvr
    Senior Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jun 2008
    • 3946

    Denied C&R Registration BOF 961

    Well this is interesting.

    I bought a Swedish Mauser {1907} from a fellow in PA. on G/B .
    I sent him the $ ,my 03 and COE and he shipped me the rifle.
    So far so good.

    I filled in the BOF 961 form ,included a check for $19.00 and also
    sent a copy of my current 03 and COE.

    I was denied on the basis that all transfers must go thru an 01 dealer.

    The DOJ references the "Firearm Ownership Record"in the denial'
    which when looked up is form FD4542a. {I did not submit that form}

    Reading page 2 instructions {top} I did everything correctly.

    Did something change ?

    Legal advise requested.
    "America will never be destroyed from the outside.
    If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

    -Abraham Lincoln,a summation of a speech given at the Lyceum in 1838
    =======================================
    "Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
    - Benjamin Franklin -1775
    =======================================
  • #2
    meaty-btz
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2010
    • 8980

    Nope you have done nothing wrong. You are the second person to receive this. Another reported it in the C&R section. Contact CAL-GUNS.. looks like the DOJ is doing illegal things ... again.
    ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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    • #3
      bplvr
      Senior Member
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jun 2008
      • 3946

      Originally posted by meaty-btz
      Nope you have done nothing wrong. You are the second person to receive this. Another reported it in the C&R section. Contact CAL-GUNS.. looks like the DOJ is doing illegal things ... again.
      Please pm me the fellows screenname.I want to find out if it is
      the same DOJ guy.
      "America will never be destroyed from the outside.
      If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

      -Abraham Lincoln,a summation of a speech given at the Lyceum in 1838
      =======================================
      "Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
      - Benjamin Franklin -1775
      =======================================

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      • #4
        ronlglock
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • May 2011
        • 2670

        Should be in "How California Laws Apply To Me." Also dupe: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=965201

        It sounds like you need to point the DOJ to State Penal Code 27966.

        Commencing January 1, 2014, if all of the following requirements are satisfied, Section 27545 shall not apply to the sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm:
        (a) The sale, loan, or transfer is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
        (b) The firearm is not a handgun.
        (c) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
        (d) The person receiving the firearm has a current certificate of eligibility issued pursuant to Section 26710.
        (e) The person receiving the firearm is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued thereto.
        (f) Within 30 days of taking possession of the firearm, the person to whom it is transferred shall forward by prepaid mail, or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report that includes information concerning the individual taking possession of the firearm, how title was obtained and from whom, and a description of the firearm in question. The report forms that individuals complete pursuant to this section shall be provided to them by the department.
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        NRA/USCCA/DOJ instructor, NRA CRSO, Journalist

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        • #5
          wildhawker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2008
          • 14150

          Email us at hotline@calgunsfoundation.org please

          -Brandon
          Brandon Combs

          I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead.

          My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer.

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          • #6
            Tonymin
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 768

            It was me this happened to. I wonder if they thought my 1903 Springfield was a modern one, not a 1918.
            I wrote a letter of explanation, took a photo of the area showing the serial number and manufacturer and sent it back.
            I could not read the signature that processed it.
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            Looking for locally for sale Nagant revolver

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            • #7
              lorax3
              Super Moderator
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jan 2009
              • 4633

              Originally posted by Tonymin
              sent it back
              Please let us know how the DOJ responds
              You think you know, but you have no idea.

              The information posted here is not legal advice. If you seek legal advice hire an attorney who is familiar with all the facts of your case.

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              • #8
                bplvr
                Senior Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jun 2008
                • 3946

                Was there any kind of an 'emergency action bill' that passed under the radar
                and took effect July 1st ?
                "America will never be destroyed from the outside.
                If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

                -Abraham Lincoln,a summation of a speech given at the Lyceum in 1838
                =======================================
                "Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
                - Benjamin Franklin -1775
                =======================================

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                • #9
                  Librarian
                  Admin and Poltergeist
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44628

                  Originally posted by bplvr
                  Was there any kind of an 'emergency action bill' that passed under the radar
                  and took effect July 1st ?
                  No.
                  ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                  Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                  • #10
                    CaliforniaLiberal
                    #1 Bull Goose Loony
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4690

                    Originally posted by bplvr
                    Was there any kind of an 'emergency action bill' that passed under the radar
                    and took effect July 1st ?

                    Just a rogue CA DOJ bureaucrat thinking that he has a nifty idea, a better way of doing things.
                    Better Way to Search CalGuns - https://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=0...78:pzxbzjzh1zk
                    CA Bill Search - https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
                    California Rifle and Pistol Association - http://crpa.org/
                    Sacramento County Sheriff Concealed Carry Info - Search 'Concealed Weapons Permit Information Sacramento'
                    Second Amendment Foundation - http://www.saf.org
                    Animated US Map Showing Progress of Concealed Carry Laws 1986 to 2021 http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

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                    • #11
                      nick
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 19143

                      Isn't the form BOF 4100A? BTW, the instructions don't say to send them a copy of C&R and COE, just the filled out and signed form and the check.
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                      • #12
                        nick
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 19143

                        Here's another thread on a similar issue, from April. Looks like it's just the usual: some hack at DOJ doing something illegal and getting away with it.

                        DiaHero Foundation - helping people manage diabetes. Sending diabetes supplies to Ukraine now, any help is appreciated.

                        DDR AK furniture and Norinco M14 parts kit: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1756292
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                        • #13
                          lorax3
                          Super Moderator
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 4633

                          Originally posted by nick
                          Isn't the form BOF 4100A
                          No. That form is used for C&R acquisitions that occur outside of California.
                          You think you know, but you have no idea.

                          The information posted here is not legal advice. If you seek legal advice hire an attorney who is familiar with all the facts of your case.

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                          • #14
                            bplvr
                            Senior Member
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 3946

                            Danica Mazenko from Assemblyman Brian Jones office has offered to help us straighten out the mess that DOJ created. Her contact info is below.

                            Assemblyman Jones also sponsors a"2nd Amendment Awareness Event" on Sept 20th at the Lemon Grove Rod and Gun Club in Alpine Ca.

                            If you are from the San Diego East County and vote ,be sure to fill in the Brian Jones box.
                            Why don't we just draft him for Governor ?
                            ===================================
                            Hi bplvr,

                            Please feel free to direct the other folks who weren't able to register their C&R acquisitions to me using the contact info listed below.

                            Best regards,

                            Danica Mazenko
                            Senior Field Representative
                            Assemblyman Brian Jones
                            71st Assembly District
                            (619) 441-2322
                            Fax (619) 441-2327
                            [email]Danica.Mazenko@asm.ca.gov
                            Last edited by bplvr; 08-13-2014, 4:47 PM.
                            "America will never be destroyed from the outside.
                            If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

                            -Abraham Lincoln,a summation of a speech given at the Lyceum in 1838
                            =======================================
                            "Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
                            - Benjamin Franklin -1775
                            =======================================

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                            • #15
                              bplvr
                              Senior Member
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3946

                              Miss Danica got a hold of DOJ on 8/12 and my registration arrived today.[8/15]
                              As it was ink signed by the Director,maybe she will get her staff better trained.

                              If you have a problem with your BOF submission see my post #14.

                              Danica ROCKS !
                              "America will never be destroyed from the outside.
                              If we falter and lose our freedoms,it will be because we destroyed ourselves"

                              -Abraham Lincoln,a summation of a speech given at the Lyceum in 1838
                              =======================================
                              "Revolution against tyranny is the most sacred of duties"
                              - Benjamin Franklin -1775
                              =======================================

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