Moving out of state question

[wireless]

At the end of the year I will be moving to Oregon. I plan on selling some of my guns to finance new ones in a free state. When I sell these PPT there is no background check or registration (I will make sure they have Oregon CHL). Is there a procedure with CA DOJ to let them know I no longer possess these firearms? What do I have to do to let them know they are sold?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...Is there a procedure with CA DOJ to let them know I no longer possess these firearms? What do I have to do to let them know they are sold?

You aren't required to do anything, but CalDOJ does have a form you can voluntarily mail in if you really want to help them maintain accurate records. It's called the "Notice of No Longer In Possession" form...

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/BOF4546NLIP0209.pdf

Your buyers in Oregon will most likely not want to buy anything from you if you tell them you need all of their info to report the sale to CalDOJ.

[wireless]

So the CA DOJ HAS to know who has the guns I sold in another state? Sounds bizarre. I just want them to know I no longer have them.

[Intimid8tor]

It doesn't matter that they know or not. It sounds like they won't just let you say you don't have it anymore

When we moved I didn't give a second thought to notifying the DOJ.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

So the CA DOJ HAS to know who has the guns I sold in another state? Sounds bizarre. I just want them to know I no longer have them.

It looks like they only ask for the out of state buyer's name and address if you sell the firearms to an out of state buyer while you are still a California resident. If you move out of state first and get an out of state ID card then you can just mark the box that says you are no longer a California resident.

[wireless]

I saw that, but I don't know if that relinquishes my possession of them. I'll get a name of the buyer from his CHL and do an unofficial bill of sale, but I definitely am not going to ask for an address.

Maybe I should just call the DOJ when it finally happens.

[dwtt]

I saw that, but I don't know if that relinquishes my possession of them. I'll get a name of the buyer from his CHL and do an unofficial bill of sale, but I definitely am not going to ask for an address.

Maybe I should just call the DOJ when it finally happens.

Why are you trying to make your life difficult? When you move out of state and no longer a CA resident, you aren't breaking any CA laws by selling to another resident of your new state who can legally buy a gun from you. This is like checking with CA DOJ before you hit the black jack tables when you go to Vegas. A bit of advice: When you leave CA, leave your CA mentality behind like asking CA DOJ for permission before you sell a gun to another Oregon resident.

[wireless]

I am not asking permission to sell to another Oregon resident. This isn't about breaking laws. I simply want the DOJ records to state I no longer possess these firearms. I do not want the CA registry stating I have firearms that I don't poss. This is about my privacy.

[Intimid8tor]

I saw that, but I don't know if that relinquishes my possession of them. I'll get a name of the buyer from his CHL and do an unofficial bill of sale, but I definitely am not going to ask for an address.

Maybe I should just call the DOJ when it finally happens.

I honestly wouldn't worry about the DoJ. And , if you wanted my name for a bill of sale on a private party purchase, I would walk. Not everyone will, but I would. Just the way I am. I show my CWP but no names on bills of sale or recorded.

[NiceGuyInSanJose]

I am not asking permission to sell to another Oregon resident. This isn't about breaking laws. I simply want the DOJ records to state I no longer possess these firearms. I do not want the CA registry stating I have firearms that I don't poss. This is about my privacy.

Your privacy? You want to give the CA DOJ more information in the interest of privacy?

Filing the form will not remove the listing, it will just add a note that you filed a form that you were no longer in possession. If the serial number is run, your name will still come up... And if your name is run, the guns will still be on the list, but annotated.

[wireless]

Right. It will say I no longer possess these firearms. Any information I'd be giving them about myself they already have access to. My new address is a button away for them. They have my fingerprints and social security number. What information would I be giving them that I could otherwise keep private? I do not want government thinking I own firearms that I no longer own. I am well aware that my name will forever be in their computer system.

I honestly wouldn't worry about the DoJ. And , if you wanted my name for a bill of sale on a private party purchase, I would walk. Not everyone will, but I would. Just the way I am. I show my CWP but no names on bills of sale or recorded.

Interesting. I've only read online what people do. I figured a CHL/CWP/CPL would be enough, but on some firearm seller/buyer forums they said to do it, so I really don't know the process yet.

[Intimid8tor]

Right. It will say I no longer possess these firearms. Any information I'd be giving them about myself they already have access to. My new address is a button away for them. They have my fingerprints and social security number. What information would I be giving them that I could otherwise keep private? I do not want government thinking I own firearms that I no longer own. I am well aware that my name will forever be in their computer system.





Interesting. I've only read online what people do. I figured a CHL/CWP/CPL would be enough, but on some firearm seller/buyer forums they said to do it, so I really don't know the process yet.

I haven't looked at the DOJ form. If it has no info for the new owner then there is no harm in doing it. It also may do no good. It's up to you. I just didn't bother. I also don't sell firearms very often.

I don't doubt that you've read about getting buyer's info. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying I wouldn't give it. It's a deal breaker for me personally.

[diverwcw]

I'm starting to think this place is like Hotel California, you can check out but you can never leave. However, I would be inclined to go with the "Notice of No Longer In Possession." It further establishes you are no longer a resident of this state and will help to keep the DMV as well as Franchise Tax Board off your back.

I have to leave my california mentality when I visit my children in the Free State of Arizona. I don't worry about putting recyclables in the blue can vs. trash in the black can. If you are driving down the road and get a call, you can answer the phone and don't have to worry about getting a citation. No CRV on purchases. No roster of approved handguns. Firearms ownership is natural. Gas is cheaper. All utilities are cheaper.

[Intimid8tor]

I'm starting to think this place is like Hotel California, you can check out but you can never leave.

You can leave, but your digital fingerprint stays forever. Kind of like the gov is not supposed to keep NICS system. Yeah right.

[Jimi Jah]

Records are kept for everything. Ask the NSA.

I see the benefit of notifing the Cal DOJ that you no longer own serial # xxx.

That way if it ever turns up at a crime scene, they won't be issuing a warrent on you.