Pinned or Blocked Magazines Question (import then have FFL make 10-round)

[cerealbyter]

Ok, so I want to ask you guys what you think about this scenario I saw on another forum.

A guy who lives in California wants to buy standard cap mags from people who live in other states and have his FFL who has a Large Capacity Magazine Permit, pin or block the mags.

Is that legal? I've been arguing it that it's not legal because the law has wording that would make me believe it's not and the FFL's I go to have said they can't get altering mags as a part of the "Good Cause for Issuance". I searched on here and I'm seeing it both ways but no thread topic I've found answers this specific question. Do you know of any FFL that has "altering standard capacity magazine to 10 rd magazines" as a part of their "good cause" on their permit? How do you read the law?

[Nor*Cal]

Yes, it is legal. There are many handguns that do not come with neutered 10 round mags. How do you think they are sold through the single shot exemption (SSE) in California? The FFL with the high cap mag permit blocks the mags to 10 rounds prior to the un-exempt CA resident taking possession.

In the past we were able to have these mags shipped directly to us as long as they were unassembled (shipped as parts kits). We could then permanently block them ourselves or keep them unassembled for out of state use. However, a new law that took effect this year has eliminated the importation of parts kits if they can be used to assemble magazines with capacities over 10 rounds. The only option now is to use a FFL with a permit that offers magazine blocking services.

As for your "good cause for issuance" and "altering standard capacity" questions. I do not have an answer and to be honest, I am not sure what you are referring too.

I should add that I personally do not know of any FFL's that offer mag blocking services for magazines (purchased by themselves from out of state) that are not part of a handgun purchase. It's not something I have needed or looked into.

[SonofWWIIDI]

Are you sure you have your ducks in a row? AFAIK, "good cause" only applies to issuance of CCW permits, and not an FFL's license to to deal in firearms and accessories.

Possibly I'm having reading comprehension fail, but some of your post doesn't make much sense.

In any case, welcome...and good luck.

I sure someone will be along shortly to correct one of us.

[cerealbyter]

From the permit application. You have to attach a good cause statement to get the permit.

[cerealbyter]

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/CLIcmpapp.pdf

[cerealbyter]

Are you sure you have your ducks in a row? AFAIK, "good cause" only applies to issuance of CCW permits, and not an FFL's license to to deal in firearms and accessories.

Possibly I'm having reading comprehension fail, but some of your post doesn't make much sense.

In any case, welcome...and good luck.

I sure someone will be along shortly to correct one of us.

All good.

[Nor*Cal]

From the permit application. You have to attach a good cause statement to get the permit.

Dealers that apply for the permit sell to law enforcement and that is their good cause. Active law enforcement is exempt from the magazine capacity laws. Selling these standard capacity magazines to non-exempt people after they have been permanently blocked to 10 rounds does not "endanger public safety".

[cerealbyter]

Yes, it is legal. There are many handguns that do not come with neutered 10 round mags. How do you think they are sold through the single shot exemption (SSE) in California? The FFL with the high cap mag permit blocks the mags to 10 rounds prior to the un-exempt CA resident taking possession.

In the past we were able to have these mags shipped directly to us as long as they were unassembled (shipped as parts kits). We could then permanently block them ourselves or keep them unassembled for out of state use. However, a new law that took effect this year has eliminated the importation of parts kits if they can be used to assemble magazines with capacities over 10 rounds. The only option now is to use a FFL with a permit that offers magazine blocking services.

As for your "good cause for issuance" and "altering standard capacity" questions. I do not have an answer and to be honest, I am not sure what you are referring too.

I should add that I personally do not know of any FFL's that offer mag blocking services for magazines (purchased by themselves from out of state) that are not part of a handgun purchase. It's not something I have needed or looked into.

I'm familiar with SSE and the way magazines used to be pinned or blocked, I've been a part of the process. That was pre Jan 1, 2014. I'm looking for someone who knows about the legalities now.

[Nor*Cal]

I'm familiar with SSE and the way magazines used to be pinned or blocked, I've been a part of the process. That was pre Jan 1, 2014. I'm looking for someone who knows about the legalities now.

I stated the change in the law. SSE has not changed and either has the blocking of standard capacity magazines. Your obviously looking for someone to state that your argument is correct but it is not. It is legal to have a permitted FFL permanently block standard capacity mags.

Read the new magazine kit law and find where it would prevent a permitted FFL from permanently blocking them to 10 rounds.

Again, it is legal.

[cerealbyter]

I stated the change in the law. SSE has not changed and neither has the blocking of standard capacity magazines. You're obviously looking for someone to state that your argument is correct but it is not. It is legal to have a permitted FFL permanently block standard capacity mags.

Read the new magazine kit law and find where it would prevent a permitted FFL from permanently blocking them to 10 rounds.

Again, it is legal.

I'm not saying that an FFL can't permanently block a magazine already in the state. I was thinking more about the magazines coming from out of state. I'm here to learn from you guys. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll tell the other guy I've been arguing with I'm wrong. I'm just looking for the legalities of it, that's all. Why so angry?

[Librarian]

I'm not saying that an FFL can't permanently block a magazine already in the state. I was thinking more about the magazines coming from out of state. I'm here to learn from you guys. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll tell the other guy I've been arguing with I'm wrong. I'm just looking for the legalities of it, that's all.

An FFL with the large-capacity magazine permit may import LCMs, and then convert them to 10-round magazines if they want that business.

[SonofWWIIDI]

I stand corrected.

You learn something new everyday.

[Nor*Cal]

Thanks Librarian!

SonofWWIIDI, I was not mad but did take the time to reply to your posts only to be told you were looking for someone who knew the laws.

Glad we got confirmation on this subject.

[cerealbyter]

Thanks Librarian!

SonofWWIIDI, I was not mad but did take the time to reply to your posts only to be told you were looking for someone who knew the laws.

Glad we got confirmation on this subject.

Sorry if I offended you. I was just looking for wording in the law that pertained to my question. I should have worded it differently.

[katokahn99]

I'm looking for someone in the Camarillo area who can permanently block/pin a SCM for me. Anyone know of a place?