Safe affidavit ?

[pacrat]

If a person hypothetically bought a safe back in the early 1980s. And the safe meets all the requirements of [977.50 of the California Code of Regulations] with the exception of the UL sticker. Which was not required at the time of purchase. Nor were there any safe or locking device requirements.

Is this person now required to buy a new safe for lack of the UL sticker before "honestly" filling out the affadavit? Or is there an option? At the time of purchase the local safe manufacturer didn't even have model numbers. Just 4 different size offerings.

Could the little sticker from a safe accidentally fall off of a safe and miraculously reappear on another safe unnoticed? Or does the CaDoJ now have a registry of "safe safes" similar to the "safe handgun roster"?

Hypothetical safe in question could possibly weigh in the neighborhood of 600 lbs empty and be bolted to both wall and floor, and have a S&G combo lock. Which activates 8 hidden door locking bolts into the framework of safe.

just ask'n

[readysetgo]

You're mixing up #1 and #2.

It's either or NOT 1 AND 2. eta: Actually it could be 1 and 2 but that's not required.

The type of safe you're speaking of without UL RSC certification would fall under #2. If it meets the requirements in (a) - (e), then you sign and date and all is well.

eta: Here's the docs so readers have a visual of what we're talking about.

Affidavit Stating Ownership of a Gun Safe or Lock Box (BOF Form 978)



There are actually three distinct "exemptions" working here with four possible choices/outcomes. There's a couple of qualifications for each.

You can select box #1. The qualifications are: UL RSC cert, fully contains firearms and provides for their secure storage.

You can select box #2. Must meet ALL of the criteria in section (a) - (e). Some examples, fully contains firearms and provides for their secure storage, locking system, boltwork, door hinges and wall thickness characteristics as described.

You could select both box #1 and #2. All of the characteristics of both sections above.

You could select DOJ Certified Lock Box. Here it must be "Certified by DOJ" and you MUST have a receipt for said lock box.
- You can search for lock boxes here: ROSTER OF FIREARM SAFETY DEVICES CERTIFIED FOR SALE

Also note, because of federal law this affidavit does NOT exempt you from requirements for a "lock" when purchasing a handgun. (see Librarians more appropriate explanation) Basically, you can't use this affidavit for handguns.

[Librarian]

Also note, because of federal law this affidavit does NOT exempt you from requirements for a "lock" when purchasing a handgun.

A refinement: because of BATF intransigence in failing to provide a regulation that recognizes that a safe meets the black-letter Federal law satisfying the "secure gun storage or safety device" requirement of federal law this affidavit does NOT exempt you from requirements for a "lock" when purchasing a handgun.

[pacrat]

Thank you readysetgo and Librarian. I thought it was "both" 1 and 2. Safe in question more than meets all requirements of [2]. It is actually made if 1/4" plate which is twice as thick as 12 gage sheet steel.

I guess my cop across the street buddy's UL sticker can remain on his safe for the time being.