Consensus on 10/30 pmag

[meritman]

Is a 30 round AR mag purchased before 1/1/14 with a 10 round limiter in it and also pinned legal in CA? Or is a 30 round capacity mag (even in the above described condition) illegal period now? Trying to clear this up. Thanks.

[billofrights]

A 10/30 is still legal, yes.

[RobertMW]

General consensus is that a pinned mag is 100% legal.

General consensus is that mags with a block in it are 100% legal if the block is glued in.

General consensus is that a free floating block is probably going to bite someone in the *** someday, but it hasn't happened yet.

[inbox485]

Is a 30 round AR mag purchased before 1/1/14 with a 10 round limiter in it and also pinned legal in CA? Or is a 30 round capacity mag (even in the above described condition) illegal period now? Trying to clear this up. Thanks.

INAL, but my understanding is as follows:

If you have a kit prior to the 1st you are fine. You may assemble it into anything holding 10 rounds or less. The question of leaving, using, and re-entering CA is debatable, but IMO, you'd be fine so long as the magazines don't multiply when you are OOS.

If you have a magazine that can't hold more than 10 rounds, you don't have a large capacity magazine, and those laws are irrelevant to you. If you have whatever combination of parts, and those parts can't be disassembled and reassembled to hold more than 10 rounds, you only have a 10 round mag and not a "kit". As long as you would have to permanently alter a part or add a part or replace a part to make it >10, it isn't a LCM.

If you have a magazine that is only 10 round because it has a limiter in it, I'm not 100% either way, but I could see that argued as manufacturing a "kit" by disassembling it into parts. I could also see it being importing a "kit" if you bring a new one into the state like that. If you bought limiters that either replace the floorplate or can be permanently attached to the floorplate, and took them OOS, bought a pmag, and came back without loose floorplates, then you wouldn't have imported anything >10 either.

[Sir Stunna Lot]

General consensus is that everyone has a different opinion on what is considered a "permanent" modification. Will have to wait for a court decision before we can all agree on on conclusion

[inbox485]

General consensus is that everyone has a different opinion on what is considered a "permanent" modification. Will have to wait for a court decision before we can all agree on on conclusion

True, but the often glossed over detail is permanent is only relevant if you are converting a large capacity magazine. If you are just building a 10 round magazine from parts, it never becomes relevant.

[Sir Stunna Lot]

True, but the often glossed over detail is permanent is only relevant if you are converting a large capacity magazine. If you are just building a 10 round magazine from parts, it never becomes relevant.

You are "building" a 10 round magazine from a "high capacity magazine"parts. Permanency is VERY much relevant; however the degree of permanency is still debatable.

[toiletfighter]

A coworker of mine is a former Placer County Sherrifs Deputy and Auburn PD. In his view, the only "permanent" 10rd mag is just that, a 10rd mag. The trouble is, in his opinion, is that any modification to a standard capacity mag to make it 10rds can be defeated or reversed to allow it to carry 10 plus rounds. Granted, that's an opinion of one person. But it's the opinion of somebody who was empowered to enforce California law. And right or wrong it carried weight. Something to consider.

[postal]

^^^Sure... I take gun legal advice from all the local gun shops and local LEO's and believe everything they say too.... I mean.... I only read Calguns about every single day, and keep up with all the laws.... but some local yokel LEO is presumed to be an expert on anything gun law.....

So... in your case, your "buddy", might be able to take you for a ride, but it's up to a DA (who knows more than your buddy) to decide to TRY and prosecute.

No one has yet....

[toiletfighter]

^^^Sure... I take gun legal advice from all the local gun shops and local LEO's and believe everything they say too.... I mean.... I only read Calguns about every single day, and keep up with all the laws.... but some local yokel LEO is presumed to be an expert on anything gun law.....

So... in your case, your "buddy", might be able to take you for a ride, but it's up to a DA (who knows more than your buddy) to decide to TRY and prosecute.

No one has yet....

Reading comprehension fail on your part...

I never said that I took his advice, being that he never offered any. I stated that in his own opinion that the only permanent 10rd mag is just that, a 10rd mag. He never "took anyone for a ride" based on said opinion either. He's a vet, a lifetime NRA member and VERY pro 2A. I offered my input as something of a consideration as to the potential of an LEO's view of the legality of a blocked magazine.

Also, you read into my response rather deeply. Why is it that you'd infer that I take my legal advice from a "yokel" cop or gun shop counter jock? So by you being a Calguns pro and all, you're now the expert in legal opinion. No thanks to that either.

You seem pretty pissed off tonight. Maybe you should get off the computer, judging by your post count, and get laid. It might clear your brain some and allow you to better understand the content of my post.

[Sir Stunna Lot]

permanency has to defined or else it will be up to the court to decide. nothing in terms of mag modification can be permanent, even 10 round mag can be "modified" to hold 11 or more

[inbox485]

Your friend sounds like a bit of a moron. I wish that was rarer than it is. But the learning that can be taken from that level of ignorance is NEVER OPEN YOUR MOUTH AROUND A COP!!! If you aren't on the family BBQ invite list, you have nothing to gain from speaking to an on duty officer. Not even this guy's nimwit friend could legally arrest you for possessing a magazine unless you open your trap and convict yourself. Not to mention somebody that stupid couldn't possibly be expected to remember anything correctly come time to write the report.

[iBkickinit]

Not really gonna end up in jail for possession of 10/30 mags no matter how big a jerk they try to be. They could try to make the case for an illegal configuration if using one in a BB'd gun, but in 8 years since Bullet Buttons have been around, I haven't heard of this being an issue. Worst they can do is confiscate them as a nuisance .

I don't worry much about it. I like featureless for the ability to use my existing 11+ round magazines.

30-round magazine in featureless AR = Nuisance, confiscation of magazine.
30-round magazine in BB'd AR = Felony, serving jail time.

Back to the OP, don't worry about it. In the rare chance some LEO and DA decide to try to make an example of you, I still think it wouldn't be very difficult to beat that rap. Dont go flaunting it and laughing at a cop saying "HAHA, you can't do SH*T becuase it only holds ten rounds! It only LOOKS like a baby killing Hi-Cap!!". You'll be fine.

[CBR_rider]

Your friend sounds like a bit of a moron. I wish that was rarer than it is. But the learning that can be taken from that level of ignorance is NEVER OPEN YOUR MOUTH AROUND A COP!!! If you aren't on the family BBQ invite list, you have nothing to gain from speaking to an on duty officer. Not even this guy's nimwit friend could legally arrest you for possessing a magazine unless you open your trap and convict yourself. Not to mention somebody that stupid couldn't possibly be expected to remember anything correctly come time to write the report.

And what legal opinion are you basing your own opinion on? Oh right, none, because unfortunately there isn't (yet) a legal opinion from the courts on what exactly constitutes a permanent 10rd magazine.

[gaberaynes]

So the 10/20,30,100 mags online for sale should be legit than.
If to much of an issue they will go after that company first I would think.