50-bmg..... Legalities ????

[billyjoblack]

short of trying to figure out how to put A stock grap/wrap on one of these How could one be owned in california (legally)..... I know it used to be OK, but then something changed.... Also what have the people that own them before the change happened, do?....thanks

[Jimvh2]

I looked for the old CalGuns flowchart and found it here;

https://gusslers.com/faq/caawid-v11-2-5-11-sdr/

According to the flowchart - 50 BMG is illegal in California under PC 12280. Looking online it seems they are prohibited by Penal Codes 30610 PC and 30600 PC,

I'm sure someone that knows more will chime in.... haha

Maybe a 416 Barrett?

[TKM]

The no-good dirty rat bastard Rino Schwarzenegger signed AB50 banning the sale of 50BMG rifles after Jan 1, 2005. I hope he rolls his tank.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/infobuls/50calinfobul.pdf

The ban only covers 50BMG rifles. Not a 50BMG, no problem. Not a rifle, not a problem. Registered Assault Weapon 50BMG rifle,no problem.

[billyjoblack]

Thank you everyone but from what I understand there is a problem and it started with something that changed in the definition of a magazine... I forget exactly what the wording was but it's the same reason that people that had 1919s had to remove the Spade grips and install a stock and pistol grip/wrap it's been discussed before but I forget where...

[abinsinia]

Barrett M99 416

The 416 is similar to 50BMG and i think it was designed to get around the assault weapons ban in California. If you want to scratch the 50BMG itch it might help.

[billyjoblack]

Barrett M99 416

The 416 is similar to 50BMG and i think it was designed to get around the assault weapons ban in California. If you want to scratch the 50BMG itch it might help.

Thanks but i'm referring to beltfed guns with spade grips.

[abinsinia]

Thanks but i'm referring to beltfed guns with spade grips.

Spade grips were never really able to be transfer legally in California till recently. We had no Other type till the release of the Title 1,

https://franklinarmory.com/blog/title1/

2019-2020 SB118 allowed Other types to be transferred, but under the assault weapons ban

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB118

People that already had spade grips who got them thru unknown methods were upset because now the assault weapons ban applied to them.

[The Gleam]

The no-good dirty rat bastard Rino Schwarzenegger signed AB50 banning the sale of 50BMG rifles after Jan 1, 2005. I hope he rolls his tank.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/infobuls/50calinfobul.pdf

The ban only covers 50BMG rifles. Not a 50BMG, no problem. Not a rifle, not a problem. Registered Assault Weapon 50BMG rifle,no problem.

Keep in mind, it banned the sale, transfer, manufacture, and import of SHOULDER fired rifles chambered in .50BMG. 'Crew serviced' weapons like the Browning M2HB on a tripod without the 'evil' features an AW may have, are not banned for sale, transfer, manufacture, and import (regardless of what some FUD you may be victim of from certain mall-retail FFLs.)

And since we are on the topic, just to be sure others are aware:

.50BMG ammunition itself is not banned for sale, transfer or possession.

You also have the option of getting most any such SHOULDER fired rifles - (other than Barrett since they push their .416 Barret option) - manufactured/chambered in .50DTC which in simplified explanation is merely a revision of the .50BMG case and its shoulder angel, but uses same .510 bullet with approximately same ballistics. Only thing I can say on that is it seems to be getting harder to get rifle manufacturers that do make their wares in .50BMG to offer a .50DTC option.

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[lastinline]

Can the .50BMG cartridge be directly fired in a .50DTC chamber as a means of fire forming the case?

[lastinline]

Can the .50BMG cartridge be directly fired in a .50DTC chamber as a means of fire forming the case?

[billyjoblack]

Keep in mind, it banned the sale, transfer, manufacture, and import of SHOULDER fired rifles chambered in .50BMG. 'Crew serviced' weapons like the Browning M2HB on a tripod without the 'evil' features an AW may have, are not banned for sale, transfer, manufacture, and import (regardless of what some FUD you may be victim of from certain mall-retail FFLs.)

And since we are on the topic, just to be sure others are aware:

.50BMG ammunition itself is not banned for sale, transfer or possession.

You also have the option of getting most any such SHOULDER fired rifles - (other than Barrett since they push their .416 Barret option) - manufactured/chambered in .50DTC which in simplified explanation is merely a revision of the .50BMG case and its shoulder angel, but uses same .510 bullet with approximately same ballistics. Only thing I can say on that is it seems to be getting harder to get rifle manufacturers that do make their wares in .50BMG to offer a .50DTC option.

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This is all true and good information ...thanks Something happened to the effect of......PC 30515.
"An AW is also defined as:

(10) A semiautomatic centerfire firearm that is not a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."

So when that code was changed in order to get the AR pistols coming out, they inadvertently caught up 1919's and other LMG's. The problem is that the SG, like the 1919 is not a pistol or SG of course, but, it is not a rifle either because it is not designed to be fired from the shoulder. So... it is a CA AOW (of sorts). For the 1919, the way we get around this is changing the 1919a4 into the A6 version (ie. with a stock so it is now a rifle). The SG with pistol grips likely falls into that category.

The (SG) Being referred to is a Sg43 beltfed. I already. Understand how to make a 1919 and a Sg43 california legal, was just wondering what people were doing with their browning m2 50BMG

[Tankhatch]

Billyjoblack "The (SG) Being referred to is a Sg43 beltfed. I already. Understand how to make a 1919 and a Sg43 california legal, was just wondering what people were doing with their browning m2 50BMG"
NON lawyer view.
Yes,,,,,, You can convert a non 50 bmg, caliber belt fed (aow) to rifle status and limit feed to 10 links.
Aka the scary1919a4 configuration (aow) into a 1919a6 configuration (which uses a butt stock)
But,,,,, You cannot convert a 50 bmg caliber belt fed (aow) to rifle status because of Arnie's 50 bmg caliber rifle law.

But It would interesting to see one of the non 50 bmg caliber belt feds (like the 50 DTC caliber) made into a 85 pound rifle and shouldered.

[Tankhatch]

Lastinline "Can the .50BMG cartridge be directly fired in a .50DTC chamber as a means of fire forming the case?"
No, 50 DTC brass is shorter.

[billyjoblack]

Billyjoblack "The (SG) Being referred to is a Sg43 beltfed. I already. Understand how to make a 1919 and a Sg43 california legal, was just wondering what people were doing with their browning m2 50BMG"
NON lawyer view.
Yes,,,,,, You can convert a non 50 bmg, caliber belt fed (aow) to rifle status and limit feed to 10 links.
Aka the scary1919a4 configuration (aow) into a 1919a6 configuration (which uses a butt stock)
But,,,,, You cannot convert a 50 bmg caliber belt fed (aow) to rifle status because of Arnie's 50 bmg caliber rifle law.

But It would interesting to see one of the non 50 bmg caliber belt feds (like the 50 DTC caliber) made into a 85 pound rifle and shouldered.

Ah that's the part I was missing. Thank you, I understand now..

[saki302]

You can convert .50bmg to .510dtc.

The case must be trimmed to .510 length, which is slightly shorter. Then fire it in the .510 and it'll be perfectly fire formed to the. 510 chamber.

You'll need .510 dies to reload that, as the .510 case won't chamber in a .50 die.

-Dave