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  • #16
    DolphinFan
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2522

    Originally posted by Quiet
    Currently...

    The 1 in 30 day wait applies to handguns and semi-auto centerfire rifles. [PC 27535(a)]

    PPT are exempt from this. [PC 27535(b)(8)]


    Effective 01-01-2024...

    The 1 in 30 day wait will apply to all firearms. [PC 27535(a)]

    PPT will still be exempt from this. [PC 27535(b)(8)]


    Effective 01-01-2025...

    The 1 in 30 day wait will still apply to all firearms. [PC 27535(a)]

    Only PPT that meet specific requirements will be exempt from this. [PC 27535(b)(8)(9)]


    Summary:
    Effective 01-01-2000 = The 1 in 30 day wait applies to the transfer of handguns. PPT are exempt from this.
    Effective 01-01-2021 = The 1 in 30 day wait applies to the transfer of handguns and semi-auto centerfire rifles. PPT are exempt from this.
    Effective 01-01-2024 = The 1 in 30 day wait applies to the transfer of any firearm. PPT are exempt from this.
    Effective 01-01-2025 = The 1 in 30 day wait applies to the transfer of any firearm. Only PPTs that meet special requirements are exempt from this.



    Penal Code 27535 Currently in effect
    (a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase both a handgun and semiautomatic centerfire rifle within the same 30-day period.
    (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
    (1) Any law enforcement agency.
    (2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
    (3) Any state or local correctional facility.
    (4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
    (5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
    (6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
    (7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
    (8) Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).
    (9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
    (10) The exchange of a handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
    (11) The replacement of a handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle when the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
    (12) The return of any handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle to its owner.
    (13) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
    (c) This section shall remain in effect until January 1, 2024, and as of that date is repealed.

    Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2024
    (a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
    (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
    (1) Any law enforcement agency.
    (2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
    (3) Any state or local correctional facility.
    (4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
    (5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
    (6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
    (7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
    (8) Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).
    (9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
    (10) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
    (11) The replacement of a firearm when the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
    (12) The return of any firearm to its owner.
    (13) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
    (c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2024.

    Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2025
    (a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
    (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
    (1) Any law enforcement agency.
    (2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
    (3) Any state or local correctional facility.
    (4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
    (5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
    (6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
    (7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
    (8) Any private party transaction where the seller is, at the time of the transaction, required under state law or by court order to relinquish all firearms.
    (9) Any private party transaction where the seller is any of the following:
    (A) The personal representative of a decedent?s estate who is transferring the firearms to one or more heirs or beneficiaries of the decedent?s estate pursuant to the decedent?s will or the laws of intestate succession.
    (B) The holder of the decedent?s property who is transferring the firearms pursuant to Section 13101 of the Probate Code to the successor of the decedent, as defined in Section 13006 of the Probate Code, or to the surviving spouse of the decedent pursuant to Section 13500 of the Probate Code.
    (C) The trustee of a trust who is transferring the firearms to one or more trust beneficiaries upon the death of a settlor of the trust.
    (10) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
    (11) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
    (12) The replacement of a firearm if the person?s firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
    (13) The return of any firearm to its owner.
    (14) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
    (c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2025.
    I contend that this is ALL NULL AND VOID, since there is NO Text/History/Tradition of any of the above between 1790-1869.

    HOW do you challenge this? Is is being challenged under Bruen?
    Is there ANY FFL that would risk their license transferring more than one firearm in a 30 day period?
    What would happen if they did?
    Finally, How does the state have ANY authority over a Federally issued License? The State can NOT take away my Securities License, they can revoke my state issued Insurance License, I would argue based on the 10th Amendment, States have no jurisdiction over any FFL, they CAN designate zoning and other laws to limit the business and maybe require a business license.

    And under Shuttlesworth, v Birmingham AL should be able to exercise our rights with impunity when confronted with an unconstitutional restriction.
    Last edited by DolphinFan; 12-26-2023, 8:46 PM.
    10/15/2022 - Called to get on the list
    2/18/2023 - Interview set
    4/27/2023 - Class
    4/30/2023 - Live Scan
    5/9/2023 - Interview
    6/26/2023 - Approval Letter
    8/1/2023 - Issued

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    • #17
      Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30239

      Originally posted by DolphinFan
      I contend that this is ALL NULL AND VOID, since there is NO Text/History/Tradition of any of the above between 1790-1869.

      HOW do you challenge this?
      Violate the 1 in 30 day wait, then file a lawsuit as a damaged party challenging the legality of the law.

      Originally posted by DolphinFan
      Is is being challenged under Bruen?
      No.

      Originally posted by DolphinFan
      Is there ANY FFL that would risk their license transferring more than one firearm in a 30 day period?
      Unknown.

      Originally posted by DolphinFan
      What would happen if they did?
      They lose their license as a CA gun dealer, if they released more than one firearm within 30 days to the same transferee, and be subjected to fine/jail.

      Originally posted by DolphinFan
      Finally, How does the state have ANY authority over a Federally issued License? The State can NOT take away my Securities License, they can revoke my state issued Insurance License, I would argue based on the 10th Amendment, States have no jurisdiction over any FFL, they CAN designate zoning and other laws to limit the business and maybe require a business license,
      The 10th Amendment is why a State can regulate any business that operates within their State, in however manner they deem fit, as determined by that State's legislature.

      A person in CA can have a valid 01-FFL, but they cannot legally conduct business in CA, until they meet all the requirements that have been mandated by the CA legislature.
      Last edited by Quiet; 12-26-2023, 9:49 PM.
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      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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      • #18
        DolphinFan
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 2522

        Originally posted by Quiet
        Violate the 1 in 30 day wait, then file a lawsuit as a damaged party challenging the legality of the law.


        No.


        Unknown.


        They lose their license as a CA gun dealer and be subjected to fine/jail.


        The 10th Amendment is why a State can regulate any business that operates within their State, in however manner they deem fit, as determined by that State's legislature.

        A person in CA can have a valid 01-FFL, but they cannot legally conduct business in CA, until they meet all the requirements that have been mandated by the CA legislature.
        Thank you, So, do I already have standing since it effects me in 1/1/2024? or do I have to violate the statute first? then I would require a FFL to do that and would need to find one willing to lose their license?
        10/15/2022 - Called to get on the list
        2/18/2023 - Interview set
        4/27/2023 - Class
        4/30/2023 - Live Scan
        5/9/2023 - Interview
        6/26/2023 - Approval Letter
        8/1/2023 - Issued

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        • #19
          Quiet
          retired Goon
          • Mar 2007
          • 30239

          Originally posted by DolphinFan
          Thank you, So, do I already have standing since it effects me in 1/1/2024? or do I have to violate the statute first? then I would require a FFL to do that and would need to find one willing to lose their license?
          Step #1.
          Discuss this with your lawyer.

          Step #2.
          See Step #1.

          Step #3.
          Do what your lawyer says.
          sigpic

          "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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          • #20
            foxtrotuniformlima
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 3441

            Originally posted by Quiet
            Step #1.
            Discuss this with your lawyer.

            Step #2.
            See Step #1.

            Step #3.
            Do what your lawyer says.
            So my understanding is that if I try to start a DROS inside the 30 days, it will be denied by the DOJ and the 30 day window starts all over again.

            If I wasn't so excited to have it, I'd get denied and sue the bastards!
            Anyone press will hear the fat lady sing.

            Originally posted by Vin Scully
            Don't be sad that it's over. Smile because it happened.
            Originally posted by William James
            I cannot allow your ignorance, however great, to take precedence over my knowledge, however small.
            Originally posted by BigPimping
            When you reach the plateau, there's always going to be those that try to drag you down. Just keep up the game, collect the scratch, and ignore those who seek to drag you down to their level.
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