Transporting ammo into CA

[Jrkotz]

I apologize if this has been covered, I've read through a dozen threads and still can't get a clear answer. CA laws are rough

My good friend lives in the LA area. He has purchased a 6.5 Creed and is hoping to do some long range shooting. His dad is trying to get some handloaded ammo to him.

What are legal options to get this ammo to him without involving an FFL? Can I fly it in checked baggage as an out of state resident? Can I or his dad ship it directly to him? Can he fly it home in checked baggage himself?

Thanks guys!

[Djantlive]

Some airlines allow limited amount of ammo to be put into luggage as long as it’s declared and locked.

I don’t think shipping to allowed but no one will stop you.

[nedro]

I didn't know that you were allowed to lock anything going on a commercial flight.
Interesting.

[edgerly779]

^^ Clueless. 11 pounds of ammo allowed in checked bags. Use non tsa locks. Firearms same thing must be in hard sided firearms case or hard sided case locked with non tsa locked inside suitcsae locked.

[cyphr02]

IANAL, to take with a grain of salt. If they have an 03 FFL + COE, they can receive, otherwise legally they must go through a FFL. I believe CA residents who take ammo out of state with them can return to the state with no more than 50 rounds of the original ammo they left home with.

[CAL.BAR]

^^ Clueless. 11 pounds of ammo allowed in checked bags. Use non tsa locks. Firearms same thing must be in hard sided firearms case or hard sided case locked with non tsa locked inside suitcsae locked.

Put all 11 pounds in whatever you like. DON'T bring it into CA. 50 rounds is ALL you can import without licensure etc.

[32spoke]

[jeremiah12]

I am posting the actual penal code. Some still think that it is okay to import 50 rounds because that was in the original legislation that was signed into law. That was not part of Prop. 63 that was later approved by voters so it never became part of the penal code.

You can read more about it here, which is in the sticky at the top of this sub-forum: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1413768

Penal Code 30312
(a)(1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction.  The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor's own merchandise.  If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller.  The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.

(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342 ) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.

(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:

(1) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.

(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830 ) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.

(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450 ) of Chapter 6 of Division 6 of this title.

(5) A person whose licensed premises are outside this state and who is licensed as a dealer or collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710 .

(7) An ammunition vendor.

(8) A consultant-evaluator.

(9) A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility's premises.

(10) A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720 .

(11) A person enrolled in the basic training academy for peace officers or any other course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, an instructor of the academy or course, or a staff member of the academy or entity providing the course, who is purchasing the ammunition for the purpose of participation or use in the course.

(d) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

For the OP, I bolded the part that pertains to his question. He cannot transfer the ammo to his friend without first going through an ammo vendor. It does not matter if he brings it with him when he comes to CA or sends it to his friend. A non-CA resident can bring all the ammo they want when they come to CA; the restrictions on importations only affect California residents.

For the OPs friend though, his father can ship the ammo directly to his son in CA or bring the ammo to CA and give it to his son without having to do the transfer through an ammunition vendor. His son could visit his dad out of state, get the ammo from his father, and legally bring it back to CA.

[nedro]

^^ Clueless. 11 pounds of ammo allowed in checked bags. Use non tsa locks. Firearms same thing must be in hard sided firearms case or hard sided case locked with non tsa locked inside suitcsae locked.

Put all 11 pounds in whatever you like. DON'T bring it into CA. 50 rounds is ALL you can import without licensure etc.

Ouch!

[CSACANNONEER]

Put all 11 pounds in whatever you like. DON'T bring it into CA. 50 rounds is ALL you can import without licensure etc.

Sorry, that 50 round thing NEVER passed. If you think it is law, please cite the PC that applies.

[CSACANNONEER]

Two different things are at play here. First of all, if his dad isn't a licensed ammunition manufacturer, he can't legally load for others. Secondly, unless the transfer is expressly exempted under CA law, it has to go through a licensed ammunition vendor period. Not all LAVs are FFLs so, it might not have to go through an FFL but, it will have to go through a LAV.

[dougd1015]

These ammo laws have to be one of the silliest of all the laws here in California.

[Jrkotz]

I am posting the actual penal code. Some still think that it is okay to import 50 rounds because that was in the original legislation that was signed into law. That was not part of Prop. 63 that was later approved by voters so it never became part of the penal code.

You can read more about it here, which is in the sticky at the top of this sub-forum: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1413768




For the OP, I bolded the part that pertains to his question. He cannot transfer the ammo to his friend without first going through an ammo vendor. It does not matter if he brings it with him when he comes to CA or sends it to his friend. A non-CA resident can bring all the ammo they want when they come to CA; the restrictions on importations only affect California residents.

For the OPs friend though, his father can ship the ammo directly to his son in CA or bring the ammo to CA and give it to his son without having to do the transfer through an ammunition vendor. His son could visit his dad out of state, get the ammo from his father, and legally bring it back to CA.

Thank you very much, looks like the best option is for his dad to ship directly to him.

[BAJ475]

Put all 11 pounds in whatever you like. DON'T bring it into CA. 50 rounds is ALL you can import without licensure etc.

Does that apply to nonresidents who are only bringing in ammo for their personal use, such as an IDPA or USPSA match? If so, how would they obtain sufficient ammo without a current CA address?

Edit. What jeremiah12 posted appears to omit importing ammunition for personal use. So is there more that would prevent CA residents from merely traveling to Oregon, Nevada or Arizona to purchase their ammunition?

[edgerly779]

Non residents can bring in all the ammo they want for personal use. They can only buy ammo from range for use at range, Without ca id no ammo from individuals or stores. No ammo checks at borders or at airports so do what you want and shut up about it.