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  • echopapa
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 986

    Out of state with BBRAWs?

    Its been over 2 years since I last moved out of CA (currently a AZ resident and loving it).


    Just wanted to confirm my understanding:

    1) Even though I am now an out of state resident, the BBRAWs registered status is still valid? Like my registered RAW letter still valid even though I don't live at the prior CA address anymore? Not an issue if LEOs ask to see letter and see that I am an AZ resident with BBRAWs?

    2) I can store BBRAWs at my parents house in CA - provided its in a secured safe that I only have access to? I'm thinking about leaving some in CA to avoid the hassle of the transport/destination restrictions.

    2a) If I come back to CA visit and want to shoot with friends/family, I can still use take these BBRAWs out to shoot ?(Best to carry the RAW letters just in case?).

    3) A few of the BBRAW are BB-pistols, but they have no braces. Those should be ok then for the potential/upcoming brace-SBR fiasco?

    Non-BBRAW related - Storing pre-2014 featureless rifles in CA. - any issues?

    Thanks in advanced.
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30239

    Originally posted by echopapa
    Its been over 2 years since I last moved out of CA (currently a AZ resident and loving it).


    Just wanted to confirm my understanding:

    1) Even though I am now an out of state resident, the BBRAWs registered status is still valid? Like my registered RAW letter still valid even though I don't live at the prior CA address anymore? Not an issue if LEOs ask to see letter and see that I am an AZ resident with BBRAWs?

    2) I can store BBRAWs at my parents house in CA - provided its in a secured safe that I only have access to? I'm thinking about leaving some in CA to avoid the hassle of the transport/destination restrictions.

    2a) If I come back to CA visit and want to shoot with friends/family, I can still use take these BBRAWs out to shoot ?(Best to carry the RAW letters just in case?).

    3) A few of the BBRAW are BB-pistols, but they have no braces. Those should be ok then for the potential/upcoming brace-SBR fiasco?

    Non-BBRAW related - Storing pre-2014 featureless rifles in CA. - any issues?

    Thanks in advanced.
    1.
    Yes, they are still considered RAW.
    Moving to another State and becoming a resident of that State does not automatically deregister a RAW.

    In order to deregister RAW because you became a resident of another State, requires you to voluntarily submit paperwork to have it deregistered as a RAW.
    ^If you did not do this, then the firearm's RAW status does not change.

    2.
    That is not legal in CA.
    CA laws were changed/amended (effective 01-01-2020) so that "storing firearms" are considered a type of loan [PC 27883 and 27545] and a RAW can not be legally loaned to another person without the registered owner being physically present for the entire duration of the loan [PC 30660].

    2a.
    Yes, it is still legal to possess/use them in authorized locations [PC 30945] and it is legal to allow a non-prohibited person aged 18 or older to possess/use it while you are physically present for the entire duration that they possess it [PC 30660].

    3.
    Yes.



    Penal Code 30945
    Unless a permit allowing additional uses is first obtained under Section 31000, a person who has registered an assault weapon or registered a .50 BMG rifle under this article may possess it only under any of the following conditions:
    (a) At that person’s residence, place of business, or other property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with the owner’s express permission.
    (b) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
    (c) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
    (d) While on the premises of a shooting club that is licensed pursuant to the Fish and Game Code.
    (e) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
    (f) While on publicly owned land, if the possession and use of a firearm described in Section 30510, 30515, 30520, or 30530, is specifically permitted by the managing agency of the land.
    (g) While transporting the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle between any of the places mentioned in this section, or to any licensed gun dealer, for servicing or repair pursuant to Section 31050, if the assault weapon is transported as required by Sections 16850 and 25610.

    Penal Code 30660
    (a) Section 30600 shall not apply to a person who lawfully possesses and has registered an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle pursuant to this chapter who lends that assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to another person, if all the following requirements are satisfied:
    (1) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent is 18 years of age or over and is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.
    (2) The person to whom the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent remains in the presence of the registered possessor of the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle.
    (3) The assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is possessed at any of the following locations:
    (A) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
    (B) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets.
    (C) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.
    (b) Section 30600 shall not apply to the return of an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle to the registered possessor, or the lawful possessor, which is lent by that registered or lawful possessor pursuant to subdivision (a).
    (c) Sections 30605 and 30610 shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle by a person to whom an assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is lent pursuant to subdivision (a).
    Last edited by Quiet; 10-13-2022, 4:58 PM.
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    • #3
      Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30239

      Originally posted by echopapa
      Non-BBRAW related - Storing pre-2014 featureless rifles in CA. - any issues?
      CA laws were amended/changed, so that effective 01-01-2020, "storing firearms" are considered a type of loan.

      Unless exempt, loans must be done through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27545]

      The storage exemption to this is conditional and requires: [PC 27883]
      1. All of the firearms are registered to owner of the firearms.
      2. The person storing the firearms must be a non-prohibited person aged 18 or older.
      3. The firearms must be unloaded and in a locked container/safe or disabled by a firearm safety device.
      4. The firearms can never leave the property they are being stored at for the duration of the storage.
      5. They cannot be stored for more than 120 days.
      6. There must be a written document, listing the firearms and the length of the storage, that is signed by the registered owner of the firearms and the person storing the firearms.



      Penal Code 27545Penal Code 27883
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      • #4
        echopapa
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 986

        Appreciate the responses Quiet.

        Didn't realize the storing firearms is considered a loan.

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