Can I still use 20 round mags in a featureless AR?

[bubbapug1]

I looked everywhere for a discussion on this. I can't seem to find calgun wiki so here goes.

Can I still use 20 and 32 round magazines I legally purchased over thirty five years ago in a featureless AR and Mac 10 while Duncan is pending?

[Jeff213]

IANAL but yes, although they can be taken from you for being a "nuisance". Make sure rifle is truly featureless or you could be charged with a felony.

[ARDude]

Hopefully your Mac10 is not an unregestered AW.
But, as said by Jeff, use them until you can't.

[bubbapug1]

It’s not a mac10. It’s a Mpa 30.

[Quiet]

Currently, it is CA legal to possess and utilize, your lawfully acquired, large capacity magazines in any manner that does not create an assault weapon.

Installing a fixed large capacity magazine; into a semi-auto centerfire rifle, semi-auto pistol, or semi-auto centerfire firearm that is not a pistol or rifle; makes the firearm into an illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(2),(5),(10)]

[Jimi Jah]

Keep a couple of 10/20's with it so they don't know it's not plugged.

[bubbapug1]

Quiet I don’t understand the wording. Inserting a fixed mag?

Into a rifle it pistol that isn’t. Rifle or pistol? Are u sure about that?

I thought it was you can use a detachable magazine in a featureless ar or ak or other non registered assault rifle former bullet button firearm.

[kcheung2]

The word is "installing" not "inserting". As in - any fixed mag setup will eventually need a mag actually installed. Only install a 10, not a 11+.

[bwiese]

Bubbapug,

1. Let's assume your hicaps (>10rd mags) were legally possessed before
2000, or were acquired during 'Freedom Week' in April 2019.

2. You can use a hicap magazine in any firearm that does not become a
prohibited firearm using a hicap - so you can use your Glock hicaps in your
Glock, your Beretta hicaps in your Beretta 92, and use your AR hicap mags
in A FEATURELESS AR (no telestock/pistol grip/flash hider etc.)

3. You can use a hicap magazine in any 1990s or 2000 registered AW.
[There is risk but likely defendable in using hicaps in 2016 "BulletButton"
regaistered AWs, but don't do it if you're risk averse/don't like lawyer $$$.]

4. You cannot use a hicap magazine in a fixed magazine semiauto centerfire
rifle or semiauto pistol.

[MountainLion]

I'm not quiet, but allow me to try to explain.

California law has a definition of a fixed magazine. In a nutshell it is one that can not be detached without disassembly of the action. Note that "fixed" does not necessarily mean "built in". A fixed magazine can be inserted into a gun (meaning attached) with or without disassembly, and it can be removed again (detached) by disassembling the action.

His second point has to be parsed as follows: Installing a fixed large capacity magazine into

• a semi-auto centerfire rifle
• a semi-auto pistol, or
• a semi-auto centerfire firearm that is not a pistol or rifle

... and the rest is obvious.

[bubbapug1]

I have the receipts for my hi cap magazines bought before the clinton ban. Lots of good that will do me if Scotus refuses to hear Duncan. I guess we can block them if they refuse to hear the case.

I think the logic to ban them, at least in some circles, makes some sense in a very narrow argument. However, the case to allow people to keep them makes more sense, in that criminals have them and we need to match their firepower in self defense.

However, confiscating or asking people to destroy property legally obtained is not reasonable. How about we enforce the laws on the books now, which the state has shown no stomach to do.

But I digress......

[JaredKaragen]

Bubbapug,

1. Let's assume your hicaps (>10rd mags) were legally possessed before
2000, or were acquired during 'Freedom Week' in April 2019.

2. You can use a hicap magazine in any firearm that does not become a
prohibited firearm using a hicap - so you can use your Glock hicaps in your
Glock, your Beretta hicaps in your Beretta 92, and use your AR hicap mags
in A FEATURELESS AR (no telestock/pistol grip/flash hider etc.)

3. You can use a hicap magazine in any 1990s or 2000 registered AW.
[There is risk but likely defendable in using hicaps in 2016 "BulletButton"
regaistered AWs, but don't do it if you're risk averse/don't like lawyer $$$.]

4. You cannot use a hicap magazine in a fixed magazine semiauto centerfire
rifle or semiauto pistol.

The irony in #3 being it's a registered assault weapon already, so how can it be re-created into what it already is?


Its not an argument; but just poking at the lunacy of the concepts we have to deal with as CA residents.