Friend moving to CA, has AR Pistol

[ripcurlksm]

Whats the path for someone moving to CA with an AR pistol? Replace evil features and register as an AW?

[????? ????]

[ripcurlksm]

Thanks, with a fixed magazine, do evil features still apply?

[????? ????]

Thanks, with a fixed magazine, do evil features still apply?

[M1NM]

A handgun is designed to be fired with one hand. Second hand grip takes it out of the federal definition of a handgun.
I was under the impression that threaded barrels were a no-no on all CA handguns and a muzzle device would need to be pinned or welded.

[sfhondapilot]

I think you are mixing up terms.

Doesn't "evil features" relate to an AR configured as a long gun?

With an AR pistol, you don't have a telescoping stock and you probably don't have a second handgrip (at best you might have an angled handgrip).

[bugsy714]

[RickD427]

A handgun is designed to be fired with one hand. Second hand grip takes it out of the federal definition of a handgun.
I was under the impression that threaded barrels were a no-no on all CA handguns and a muzzle device would need to be pinned or welded.

Where did you get the idea that threaded barrels were prohibited on all California handguns? Can you cite to any statute that so provides?

Penal Code section 30515 defines a semi-auto pistol, having a detachable magazine and a threaded barrel (even if nothing is attached to the threads) as being an "Assault Weapon." Possession of an unregistered Assault Weapon is a felony. That's where most folks correctly get the idea that a threaded barrel is illegal (unless the weapon is an RAW).

You are quite correct that the Federal Law (18USC921) does define a "Handgun" as a weapon designed to be fired using a single hand. Interestingly, California's definition of a "Handgun" contains no such element (PC sections 16640 and 16530). But putting a second handgrip on a handgun creates an NFA defined "Any Other Weapon" (26USC5845(e)) which is federal felony to possess without a tax stamp.

[????? ????]

Under California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5471, subdivision (gg):

Under California Code of Regulations, title 11, subdivision (t):https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/op...ndgun/download

Second handgrip, forward pistol grip, and vertical foregrip, are each separate terms. There is considerable overlap between all three, but they are not interchangeable.

[????? ????]

I think you are mixing up terms.

Doesn't "evil features" relate to an AR configured as a long gun?

With an AR pistol, you don't have a telescoping stock and you probably don't have a second handgrip (at best you might have an angled handgrip).

The list of prohibited items for pistols and the list of prohibited items for rifles are what people call "features." The pistol list and the rifle list are not identical.

Penal Code section 30515 says about a pistol:

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

In comparison, PC30515 says about a rifle:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.

(B) A thumbhole stock.

(C) A folding or telescoping stock.

(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

(E) A flash suppressor.

(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

[sfhondapilot]

The list of prohibited items for pistols and the list of prohibited items for rifles are what people call "features." The pistol list and the rifle list are not identical.

Penal Code section 30515 says about a pistol:

(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

In comparison, PC30515 says about a rifle:

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.

(B) A thumbhole stock.

(C) A folding or telescoping stock.

(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

(E) A flash suppressor.

(F) A forward pistol grip.

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

Thanks, that's very helpful.

[B.J.F.]

Thanks, that's very helpful.

[sbo80]

^therefore, for an AR pistol, fix the magazine. So that nothing in (4) applies, and then you can have all those things like a threaded barrel (except of course 4(d) since the magazine is fixed). And also, because of (5), the magazine that you fix, must be a 10 rounder. Lots of products on the market now will do this.
Oh, and you have to self-register ownership of firearms as a new resident within 60 days. This is completely separate from "assault weapons register" which is different, and also not possible as the window is closed. New residents may not bring assault weapons into CA period. If you have fixed the magazine, it is NOT an assault weapon (and incidentally applies to both rifles and pistols, though there are additional ways for rifles to be not-assaulty).

[bohoki]

i wonder about that cause the kasler list is for "rifles" i don't want to test it