if i sell a firearm to another state does it count against my dros

[CartridgeCalls]

if i sell a firearm to another state does it count against my 5 dros limit?

Going to list a lot of mine shortly and wanted to know?

[norcalAF]

well considering it would not go through the DROS system if it were out of state, I don't see how California would even know you sold the firearm. also you might try posting the question in the correct forum, no one in OT has any firearms

[sfe187]

The real question is will free states do any private business with CA.

[JagerDog]

TMK there is no strict limit on sales before being considered a dealer.

If doing a lot of turnaround, specifically selling off-roster firearms, withing CA, after brief ownership, then expect some friction.

DROS wouldn't be the issue as far as I can tell. You do send ID with the firearm though. Whether there's some vehicle that that gets reported back to CA, I don't know. I rather doubt it though.

[9Cal_OC]

Well the state may know about the sale if you complete a “No longer in Possession” form with the CA BOF.

Otherwise, if you don’t file it, they wouldn’t know you sold your firearm in a different state.

[Paul_R]

Short answer: No.

[painkiller]

There is not a dros OOS

[M1NM]

Well the state may

[CartridgeCalls]

Thanks everyone. Since I'm an FFL03 plus COE holder I can ship long guns directly to person in other states and CA for C&R? Or are there states that prohibit that?

I know all my handgun will have to go to a dealer regardless of age and most being off roster.

[9Cal_OC]

The form is useless it does not remove it from your list. Since out of state transfers have to go through an FFL just keep where it went for your records.

Of course it doesn’t remove it from the database. But god forbid one gets red flagged or TRO, they’re going to be looking for that gun. It may take time to clear should you not have that documentation.

[Paul_R]

Thanks everyone. Since I'm an FFL03 plus COE holder I can ship long guns directly to person in other states and CA for C&R? Or are there states that prohibit that?

I know all my handgun will have to go to a dealer regardless of age and most being off roster.

You should ask this on the FFL forum.

[sbo80]

1. The penal code is not a limit on DROS quantity, it's a limit on "transactions". By the letter of the law it's not relevant whether that's in state or out of state, the limit is on you as a CA resident. A transaction occurs. Now, of course, within CA, the DROS is the vehicle which CA would be aware that a transaction occurred, and it's not likely an out of state transaction would ever be known to CA. But that doesn't technically change your limit of 5. "You'd never get caught" does not make something legal.
2. The rules for C&R apply to the buyer, not the seller. It isn't relevant whether you have a C&R, only matters if the buyer has a C&R. Federal laws say you can ship C&R to other states if the buyer has the 03, because you are shipping to a FFL. Yes some states, like CA, have weird rules though. I know NV just changed and you can't ship direct to 03 there. NY/NJ probably also, I am not up on all those.

[CartridgeCalls]

1. The penal code is not a limit on DROS quantity, it's a limit on "transactions". By the letter of the law it's not relevant whether that's in state or out of state, the limit is on you as a CA resident. A transaction occurs. Now, of course, within CA, the DROS is the vehicle which CA would be aware that a transaction occurred, and it's not likely an out of state transaction would ever be known to CA. But that doesn't technically change your limit of 5. "You'd never get caught" does not make something legal.
2. The rules for C&R apply to the buyer, not the seller. It isn't relevant whether you have a C&R, only matters if the buyer has a C&R. Federal laws say you can ship C&R to other states if the buyer has the 03, because you are shipping to a FFL. Yes some states, like CA, have weird rules though. I know NV just changed and you can't ship direct to 03 there. NY/NJ probably also, I am not up on all those.

Thanks for the info

[CartridgeCalls]

You should ask this on the FFL forum.

If a mod can move it that would be great

[Hinnerk]

...Yes some states, like CA, have weird rules though. I know NV just changed and you can't ship direct to 03 there. ....

Do you know their reason for doing so in NV? I still haven't figured out the official reason that CA stopped direct shipments to FFL03s as the original wording of the bill that created the law here would have exempted FFL03s.