How long do I have to make a firearm compliant?

[Aevus]

Tried doing some googling, but either this is not a well discussed issue online or my google-fu is lacking.

I am close to purchasing a rifle that is considered an assault weapon in its current form, and having it stripped down and serialized parts shipped to an FFL for transfer.

It is my (hopefully correct) understanding that I cannot legally assemble or be in possession of the weapon unless it will be in a compliant form.

How much time am I given to make it compliant? Can it be registered to me and my domicile before it is compliant? I'd prefer if I didn't have a gun in my home that wasn't registered to me. The only changes would be compliant grip and taking off the flash hider.

[SkyHawk]

I am close to purchasing a rifle that is considered an assault weapon in its current form, and having it stripped down and serialized parts shipped to an FFL for transfer.

So what you are really buying is a receiver, and some parts. You have all the time in the world to build your serialized, registered receiver into a compliant firearm. There is no time limit. Just never assemble the parts into a non-compliant configuration.

[Aevus]

So you are buying a receiver, and some parts. You have all the time in the world to build your serialized, registered receiver into a compliant firearm.

I see, thank you! So once it can be built compliant I can submit my registration.

Appreciate your reply!

[SkyHawk]

I see, thank you! So once it can be built compliant I can submit my registration.

Appreciate your reply!

No, your registration will be completed when you DROS the receiver at the FFL, you will never have to do anything after that.

The DROS will be registering a receiver aka frame in your name. You don't have to register it again after the build is complete.

[Aevus]

No, your registration will be completed when you DROS the receiver at the FFL, you will never have to do anything after that.

The DROS will be registering a receiver aka frame in your name. You don't have to register it again after it is complete.

Understood! Thank you.

[Librarian]

Do note that 'compliant' means 'not an assault weapon'.

Can't tell if it is the situation here - I expect not - but when this nonsense began, lots of people thought 'I bought it from an FFL, it is already registered' and did not realize assault registration was a separate step and process.

[Aevus]

Do note that 'compliant' means 'not an assault weapon'.

Can't tell if it is the situation here - I expect not - but when this nonsense began, lots of people thought 'I bought it from an FFL, it is already registered' and did not realize assault registration was a separate step and process.

I plan to wrap the thumbhole and have the barrel flash hider replaced with a muzzle brake to lengthen it to also meet the length requirements.

Based on the other poster this sounds legal, correct? It is my understanding that if I assemble the weapon it would constitute possession an assault weapon.

[kcheung2]

Is this a PS90 or a Tavor or something else? Instead of being unnecessarily vague, if you were more specific you'd get better answers. Generally people ask "I want to buy a ____, what's an easy & legal way of getting it?"

But to clear up some misunderstandings, legally there is NO time in which a gun can be non-compliant. Strictly speaking, "it was only illegal for half a second" isn't going to fly. However, 1) a bag of disassembled parts is just parts 1a) as long as it is indeed fully disassembled. If it's only partially disassembled, you'll need to be specific as to which parts are still together 2) there is usually a specific sequence of assembly in which that bag of parts can be assembled such that when it becomes "a gun" it's already in a compliant form. 3) it must enter CA in a compliant form. Unless your receiving FFL has an AW permit, they can't accept a non-compliant gun. So if you told us what exactly you're getting, we could tell you what parts need to be removed by the seller vs what can stay together.

But when you're this vague it's hard to give more detailed information.

[Aevus]

Is this a PS90 or a Tavor or something else? Instead of being unnecessarily vague, if you were more specific you'd get better answers. Generally people ask "I want to buy a ____, what's an easy & legal way of getting it?"

But to clear up some misunderstandings, legally there is NO time in which a gun can be non-compliant. Strictly speaking, "it was only illegal for half a second" isn't going to fly. However, 1) a bag of disassembled parts is just parts 1a) as long as it is indeed fully disassembled. If it's only partially disassembled, you'll need to be specific as to which parts are still together 2) there is usually a specific sequence of assembly in which that bag of parts can be assembled such that when it becomes "a gun" it's already in a compliant form. 3) it must enter CA in a compliant form. Unless your receiving FFL has an AW permit, they can't accept a non-compliant gun. So if you told us what exactly you're getting, we could tell you what parts need to be removed by the seller vs what can stay together.

But when you're this vague it's hard to give more detailed information.

It would be an FS2000, EBRworks is doing the middleman for the transfer. I wasn't being vague on purpose, I just didn't know how much information was needed. No need to be hurtful.

[SkyHawk]

I plan to wrap the thumbhole and have the barrel flash hider replaced with a muzzle brake to lengthen it to also meet the length requirements.

Based on the other poster this sounds legal, correct? It is my understanding that if I assemble the weapon it would constitute possession an assault weapon.

Before you assemble the FS2000 rifle, securely plug the thumbhole in the stock and attach a brake to the barrel that will result in an overall rifle length greater than 30". Then when you assemble the rifle it should be compliant.

And yes it does always help to specify the firearm because with some, there can be caveats and gotchas.

[Quiet]

I plan to wrap the thumbhole and have the barrel flash hider replaced with a muzzle brake to lengthen it to also meet the length requirements.

Based on the other poster this sounds legal, correct? It is my understanding that if I assemble the weapon it would constitute possession an assault weapon.

Before you assemble the FS2000 rifle, securely plug the thumbhole in the stock and attach a brake to the barrel that will result in an overall rifle length greater than 30". Then when you assemble the rifle it should be compliant.

And yes it does always help to specify the firearm because with some, there can be caveats and gotchas.

Reminder that...

Overall length is measured with non-permanently attached muzzle devices removed. [11 CCR 5471(x)]
In order for the muzzle device to be included in the overall length, it needs to be permanently attached to the barrel.

Permanent methods of attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100o F) silver soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. [11 CCR 5471(d)]

[SkyHawk]

Reminder that...

Overall length is measured with non-permanently attached muzzle devices removed. [11 CCR 5471(x)]
In order for the muzzle device to be included in the overall length, it needs to be permanently attached to the barrel.

Permanent methods of attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100o F) silver soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. [11 CCR 5471(d)]

I can never remember. I tried to look before I posted, and found this 5yr old thread where you mentioned that for CA, non-permanent muzzle devices were left attached when measuring OAL. Maybe you flipped the fed and CA methods there?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=18812904&postcount=20

Also the CCR you cited refers to measuring barrel length. But I do see that 11 CCR 5471(x) refers to permanently attached muzzle devices when measuring OAL

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I00A3AC3242EF4DA59B868E70908F9614?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=StatuteNavigator&contextData=%28sc.Default%29&bhcp=1

(x) “Overall length of less than 30 inches” with respect to a centerfire rifle means the rifle has been measured in the shortest possible configuration that the weapon will function/fire and the measurement is less than 30 inches. Folding and telescoping stocks shall be collapsed prior to measurement. The approved method for measuring the length of the rifle is to measure the firearm from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device, if so equipped, to that part of the stock that is furthest from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device. (Prior to taking a measurement the owner must also check any muzzle devices for how they are attached to the barrel.)

So yes OP it seems you must permanently attach the brake before assembling the rifle, using high temp braze or blind-pin and weld

[Quiet]

I can never remember. I tried to look before I posted, and found this 5yr old thread where you mentioned that for CA, non-permanent muzzle devices were left attached when measuring OAL. Maybe you flipped the fed and CA methods there?

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=18812904&postcount=20

Also the CCR you cited refers to measuring barrel length. But I do see that 11 CCR 5471(x) refers to permanently attached muzzle devices when measuring OAL

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I00A3AC3242EF4DA59B868E70908F9614?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=StatuteNavigator&contextData=%28sc.Default%29&bhcp=1

So yes OP it seems you must permanently attach the brake before assembling the rifle, using high temp braze or blind-pin and weld

What happened was CA laws/regulations were amended and made what was previously said no longer correct.

Starting 01-08-2019, in order to be included in the overall length, the muzzle device needs to be permanently attached.

Which means post about CA assault weapons laws that are from before 2019 may no longer be valid.

[SkyHawk]

What happened was CA laws/regulations were amended and made what was previously said no longer correct.

Starting 01-08-2019, in order to be included in the overall length, the muzzle device needs to be permanently attached.

Which means post about CA assault weapons laws that are from before 2019 may no longer be valid.

Ah, I was wondering if perhaps that was the case. I should know by now that CA never misses a chance to turn more people into felons with the stroke of a pen.

[M1NM]

Check the Flow Chart to make sure your lower is not one that is banned by name.