Is it possible to build a semi-auto handgun if ...

[abinsinia]

.. it was technologically feasible to include micro stamping, LCI, and magazine disconnect, and the pistol you build has all those included ?

[ARDude]

And it would have to be on the roster.

[RickD427]

.. it was technologically feasible to include micro stamping, LCI, and magazine disconnect, and the pistol you build has all those included ?

Yes, it would be possible.

But you would have to build at least three copies and submit them for DOJ-certified lab testing. Please refer to Penal Code section 31905 and note the absence of any special provision exempting personal builders.

[abinsinia]

Yes, it would be possible.

But you would have to build at least three copies and submit them for DOJ-certified lab testing. Please refer to Penal Code section 31905 and note the absence of any special provision exempting personal builders.

Does it also need to be on the roster ?

[ARDude]

What Rick says is the process to get your semi auto pistol approved for the roster.

[SanDiego619]

Is microstamping putting a little stamp on the firing pin to stamp your primers when it strikes them? What if someone tries to engrave a little stamp on the tip of a firing pin just to get it on the roster?

[abinsinia]

So,

1) Build 3 copies of the firearms with all features needed. (out of state?)

2) Sending copies of gun to approved testing lab.

3) Maybe apply for roster listing.

4) Apply for a serial number in California

5) Build gun in California

[RickD427]

Is microstamping putting a little stamp on the firing pin to stamp your primers when it strikes them? What if someone tries to engrave a little stamp on the tip of a firing pin just to get it on the roster?

It would probably depend on what the certifying lab says......

[splithoof]

Whatever it would cost, it would likely be far more expensive that it would be worth.
With that said, can a FFL of the correct classification legally manufacture in California a handgun for “research” (production prototype), and not intended for resale?

[RickD427]

Yup, but the purpose of the prototype is limited for the purpose of submitting to the DOJ testing process. Please refer to Penal Code section 32000(b)(1) for the details.

[SanDiego619]

.. it was technologically feasible to include micro stamping, LCI, and magazine disconnect, and the pistol you build has all those included ?

You can make the first new on-roster handgun in CA. You will be rich!

[ojisan]

Is microstamping putting a little stamp on the firing pin to stamp your primers when it strikes them? What if someone tries to engrave a little stamp on the tip of a firing pin just to get it on the roster?

The current law requires that the case be marked in two places, the primer is not an accepted place.
Both stamps must be legible for a minimum of 2,000 rounds.

The current law change being proposed is a stamp on the case in one place, not that it is any relief at all.

There were tests done at anti-gun U.C. Davis where the firing pin tip and primer were tried with simple characters but even the microstamping inventor who participated in the testing agreed it didn't work.

The current law requires that the gun's make, model and serial number must be stamped on the case in two places when the gun is fired.
That's a lot of characters to stamp.
(Let's see, how about a Shield 9mm as "SWMPShield9123456" as an easy one, hmmm, that's 17 digits, same as a VIN).
To solve this problem, the microstamping inventor proposed using a unique-to-each-gun 3-D hologram for the stamp so the information could be stored as a code in the shapes of the facets of the hologram.
Then a special electronic microscope would be used to scan the hologram and then a computer would translate the code to make, model and serial number.

This is currently the only approved method.
(Nobody can do it despite the ton of money that could be made.)

Other methods that meet the requirements can be submitted for testing and approval.

Our wonderful previous state Attorney General, now US Senator and possible Vice President, Kamala Harris has determined that the microstamping technology is available and ready for volume manufacturing, so it must be used for any new guns to get them approved for CA sales.

[SanDiego619]

The current law requires that the case be marked in two places, the primer is not an accepted place.
Both stamps must be legible for a minimum of 2,000 rounds.

The current law change being proposed is a stamp on the case in one place, not that it is any relief at all.

There were tests done at anti-gun U.C. Davis where the firing pin tip and primer were tried with simple characters but even the microstamping inventor who participated in the testing agreed it didn't work.

The current law requires that the gun's make, model and serial number must be stamped on the case in two places when the gun is fired.
That's a lot of characters to stamp.
(Let's see, how about a Shield 9mm as "SWMPShield9123456" as an easy one, hmmm, that's 17 digits, same as a VIN).
To solve this problem, the microstamping inventor proposed using a unique-to-each-gun 3-D hologram for the stamp so the information could be stored as a code in the shapes of the facets of the hologram.
Then a special electronic microscope would be used to scan the hologram and then a computer would translate the code to make, model and serial number.

This is currently the only approved method.
(Nobody can do it despite the ton of money that could be made.)

Other methods that meet the requirements can be submitted for testing and approval.

Our wonderful previous state Attorney General, now US Senator and possible Vice President, Kamala Harris has determined that the microstamping technology is available and ready for volume manufacturing, so it must be used for any new guns to get them approved for CA sales.

That's ridiculous and impossible. That would be like me passing a law saying you can only get an abortion if you jump 100 feet in the air. No wonder there are lawsuits about it. I should read up on those, I have no idea if any lawsuits are still going on regarding microstamping but it seems crazy for the government to make requirements that they know are impossible to satisfy.

[DB>]

I believe those lawsuits died a few weeks ago when the SCOTUS continued to regard the 2A as the red headed step child of Constitutional rights.

I believe the options are to replace the current evil overlords with thoughtful, benevolent leaders, and undo the bad laws, or start new suits (which of necessity will have to have sufficiently novel arguments so as not be struck down by "precedent") that will take around a decade to wander up to a hopefully more sympathetic SCOTUS....

[SanDiego619]

I believe those lawsuits died a few weeks ago when the SCOTUS continued to regard the 2A as the red headed step child of Constitutional rights.

I believe the options are to replace the current evil overlords with thoughtful, benevolent leaders, and undo the bad laws, or start new suits that will take around a decade to wander up to a hopefully more sympathetic SCOTUS....

Trump 2020. Replace RBG.

There was some talk that the SC declined to hear the cases because they knew turncoat roberts would side with the leftists. Hopefully when RBG is gone and Trump replaces her with a sane person, these cases can be heard by the SC and we will be allowed to exercise our endowed rights.