Featureless Confiscation

[CandG]

DOJ still has a backlog of 10k armed prohibited persons they need to confiscate weapons from. They really don't have the resources to hang out at gun ranges looking at people's muzzle brakes. That's presumably why they abandoned their short-lived policy of doing house visits to people who tried registering questionable firearms as BBRAWs.

[Xerxes]

Don't know about today but back after the 1989 registration I was at the range when folks representing themselves as DOJ that also had two CHP officers show up.... were checking at the range I was at. That was the one and only time I showed my AW letter to another person. Never even had a range ask me for such. As soon as I cleared I vamos'd out of there and did not go to a California range for a couple of years. I also had contact once at the California border long ago and was asked if I went to the Reno Gunshow and had a CHP look through the windows in my vehicle before letting me go. I have had no such contact in the last 15 years but since it happened to me before I am not so quick to dismiss these stories just because I don't want them to be true. Most all of the stories I have heard since then were about folks getting nailed after contact was initiated for other reasons (drugs, domestic violence, gang violence) with the exception of random threads or discussions on social media.

More recently there have been four threads here about DOJ agents checking AW registrants. One even made the newspapers and the gun culture social media so I believe those happened.

I would not be surprised if they stepped up enforcement, especially with the government becoming even more corrupt with a super gungrabber majority with the governor with that perfect hair product styled hair, but I think they would be crazy to do so before this whole AW registration/regulations thing is settled as it provides a strong standing in the due process for the accused and a potential big waste of time and money for the state.

Then of course we have the local Barney Fife and his one bullet wanting to make a name for himself in the gungrabber community that no one can control or stop without first creating a mess for a few folks lives.

I hate the dismissing out of hand these stories and the attacks on the credibility of the posters because that discourages everyone from posting their experiences. Just because you hate for it to be true does not make it false.

Lets hope it does not happen. It a real drag on all the gun community. I suppose the ranges that are on private property could say DOJ/LE are trespassing if they are solely their for gungrabbing enforcement and not for the enjoyment of the shooting sport. If this is happening I hope the ranges do just that else they will lose customers who will stop going due to LE harassment when they use their firearm.

Come this November vote against everyone who is a gungrabber even if you do not believe the other political position of the opponent. If you don't do such voting then I might as well call you a gungrabber as well. Maybe we can do what the Democrats do in California and charter some buses, drive to Tijuana, Pick up a a busload of voters, and drive them to the voting booth but instead having them vote against the gungrabbers. This way those votes will cancel the gungrabbers busloads of voters.

[Syntax Error]

Maybe the "DOJ Agent" wasn't really a DOJ agent but an enterprising thief who pretended to be a DOJ agent and pretty much stole the rifle under the guise of authority. Who knows, not enough corroborating evidence and too much hearsay to say this really happened, but shouldn't really be a metric to say that "featureless" isn't safe. They can't arrest everyone.

[bootstrap]

...DOJ is happy that their stupid laws have been so easily circumvented?

"Easily circumvented", are you effing kidding?!?

Are you willing to reimburse us for:

- Time spent rearching and learning the new laws and how to be compliant.
- Money spent buying new compliant parts.
- Time spent installing new compliant parts.
- Time spent shipping firearms out of state.
- Money spent shipping firearms out of state.
- Time spent taking pictures/video and documenting compliance measures taken.
- Attorney retainer fees.

[Jimi Jah]

Compliance here comes at a cost. For those unwilling the legal system has your options carefully laid out.

[Murmur]

Get a V-Seven Furion muzzle break. It's specifically advertised as "Not a Flash Hider". Lot's of blast, but it tames recoil and muzzle flip to almost nothing. Night shooting looks like a fireworks show.

https://www.vsevenweaponsystems.com/furion/

[M1NM]

Did your friend hear this at a poker game? If he did then its's probably true.

or... read it on the internet

[Bladewurk]

Tested for what and against what criteria?]

During the Fed Ban BATF was said to have tested muzzle devices with a Light Meter when fired, to see if it reduced flash and verify as "not a flash hider"

[4GLOCK30]

This is not the first thread starting with "I heard"....

Op is passing on what he "heard"....IDK if it did happen. If it did I would think "someone else" would have also posted somewhere.

But regarding what are or are not flash suppressors….I see many "advertised" as "muzzle brakes" or "compensators" but IMHO I feel many LEO/DOJ would not be versed in which ones are or are not "flash suppressors" giving them perceived authority to confiscate

I would think some form of citation or paperwork would have been given to the gun owner citing whatever code/regulation/law this "state" rep claims is being violated

I have not directly seen or heard of any DOJ action at ranges but I have "read" threads of people who did register their AR's who had full swat dressed DOJ's show up at their door demanding to see the registered guns and those who complied with the request had some confiscated.

This thread for example by the guy it happened to but not because of a flash hider/suppressor..

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/I-didn-t-understand-the-law-and-the-DOJ-confiscated-my-ARs/11-623550/

My cop friend says if DOJ shows up at your door, close it. They need a warrant to enter. I find someone wearing a badge and has a gun goes wherever the F he wants to

[Jdjones24]

Since when do the overworked agents at the DOJ have the time to visit a local gun range and begin inspections of weapons?

I was told by a local gun shop that they send plain clothed agents to see if Californians are possessing legal rifle and handguns.

[M1XdColt]

Nothing is safe hear in this sorry a hole state of CA. You comply or not and your guns still get taken away. They really don't want you and us to have it but only them. Their eyes are different from yours and everyone that doesn't work in that type of field. As careful as everyone and you're it'll be taken away regardless. Hope your able to get it back asap and everyone that still waiting on there's too.

[sl0re10]

I heard from a friend that someone recently had their featureless AR15 confiscated at the Santa Clara range by someone from DOJ on the grounds that the muzzle break was a flash hider. According to him, the AR owner explained that the device was advertised as a muzzle break and not a flash hider (which was my understanding of the legal standard) but that this did not satisfy the official who said it would have to be tested to determine this.

Has anyone heard of this?

Assuming it is true, this raises a few questions:
1) Is featureless no longer the safe option?
2) What is the functional difference between a flash hider and a muzzle break?
3) Is the DOJ cracking down or was this an isolated incident of an overzealous official?
4) Is CA ramping up enforcement in the face of the Kavanaugh confirmation?

the quick difference is a flash hider has horizontal 'fingers' and a brake has up and down slits.

[ptalar]

Compliance here comes at a cost. For those unwilling the legal system has your options carefully laid out.

Be prepared to eventually have your firearms confiscated for compliance. This is the long range plan, one law at a time in California. Its called the death of the 2nd amendment by a 1000 cuts. The real options are to move out of state. Between the high taxes, congestion and anti 2nd amendment laws the state is a far cry from what it was 40 plus years ago when it was essentially a free state.

[Jimi Jah]

Let them try. It will not succeed. Plenty of guns are still in the EU and Oz.

[GM4spd]

I love references to ATF on CA issues.