Ammo purchasing status?

[Lightstrider]

Not until when in 2019 will we need to get a permit? Right now can just buy whatever in store with ID right?

[Quiet]

Not until when in 2019 will we need to get a permit? Right now can just buy whatever in store with ID right?

Starting 01-01-2019...

The transferee will only need a valid State DL/ID.

The transferee will need to do a DROS and undergo an instant background check.

The transferee will pay a new CA DROS fee for the transfer of the ammunition.

[Yodaman]

Starting 01-01-2019...

The transferee will only need a valid State DL/ID.

The transferee will need to do a DROS and undergo an instant background check.

The transferee will pay a new CA DROS fee for the transfer of the ammunition.

Is the DROS free for every purchase or only when transferring?


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[Quiet]

Is the DROS free for every purchase or only when transferring?

Nope.

CA DOJ hasn't released regulations governing ammunition purchase authorization yet, so the ammo DROS fee hasn't been finalized yet.

But, it does appear to be at $20. [PC 30370(c)&(e)]
^$19 [PC 30370(c)] + $1 [PC 30370(e)] = total of $20.



Penal Code 30370
(c) The department shall develop a procedure in which a person who is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing ammunition may be approved for a single ammunition transaction or purchase. The department shall recover the cost of processing and regulatory and enforcement activities related to this section by charging the ammunition transaction or purchase applicant a fee not to exceed the fee charged for the department’s Dealers’ Record of Sale (DROS) process, as described in Section 28225 and not to exceed the department’s reasonable costs.
(e) The department shall recover the reasonable cost of regulatory and enforcement activities related to this article by charging ammunition purchasers and transferees a per transaction fee not to exceed one dollar ($1), provided, however, that the fee may be increased at a rate not to exceed any increases in the California Consumer Price Index as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, not to exceed the reasonable regulatory and enforcement costs.
(f) A fund to be known as the “Ammunition Safety and Enforcement Special Fund” is hereby created within the State Treasury. All fees received pursuant to this section shall be deposited into the Ammunition Safety and Enforcement Special Fund and, notwithstanding Section 13340 of the Government Code, are continuously appropriated for purposes of implementing, operating, and enforcing the ammunition authorization program provided for in this section and Section 30352 and for repaying the start-up loan provided for in Section 30371.
(g) The Department of Justice is authorized to adopt regulations to implement this section.

[BeAuMaN]

TL;DR: As long as you've purchased a firearm in California relatively recently, and you've done the DROS background check where you have a firearm in AFS, and you're not prohibited, then your fee per ammo purchase is $1 (for now).

Quiet... I think you're misinterpreting that section, since the preceding parts of 30370 really matter in this case. We'd also be screaming more bloody murder if they were charging $20 per ammo transaction (we'd be comparing it to poll taxes)

If I may: Section 30370

What precedes 30370(c) - 30370(g) is the following:

(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, the department shall electronically approve the purchase or transfer of ammunition through a vendor, as defined in Section 16151, except as otherwise specified. This approval shall occur at the time of purchase or transfer, prior to the purchaser or transferee taking possession of the ammunition. Pursuant to the authorization specified in paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 30352, the following persons are authorized to purchase ammunition:

(1) A purchaser or transferee whose information matches an entry in the Automated Firearms System (AFS) and who is eligible to possess ammunition as specified in subdivision (b).

(2) A purchaser or transferee who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710.

(3) A purchaser or transferee who is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing ammunition in a single ammunition transaction or purchase made pursuant to the procedure developed pursuant to subdivision (c).

(b) To determine if the purchaser or transferee is eligible to purchase or possess ammunition pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (a), the department shall cross-reference the ammunition purchaser’s or transferee’s name, date of birth, current address, and driver’s license or other government identification number, as described in Section 28180, with the information maintained in the AFS. If the purchaser’s or transferee’s information does not match an AFS entry, the transaction shall be denied. If the purchaser’s or transferee’s information matches an AFS entry, the department shall determine if the purchaser or transferee falls within a class of persons who are prohibited from owning or possessing ammunition by cross-referencing with the Prohibited Armed Persons File. If the purchaser or transferee is prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm, the transaction shall be denied.

(c) The department shall develop a procedure in which a person who is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing ammunition may be approved for a single ammunition transaction or purchase. The department shall recover the cost of processing and regulatory and enforcement activities related to this section by charging the ammunition transaction or purchase applicant a fee not to exceed the fee charged for the department’s Dealers’ Record of Sale (DROS) process, as described in Section 28225 and not to exceed the department’s reasonable costs.

In... I guess we call the letters "subdivisions" and the sectioning of those subdivisions as numbers "paragraphs"... Paragraphs 1, 2 and 3 of subdivision (a) list the people who are authorized to purchase ammunition. Paragraphs 1 and 3 call out subdivisions which detail the process for two of these kinds of authorized people; Purchasers that are already in AFS follow the process as outlined in subdivision (b), while those who are not on AFS but are not prohibited follow the process of subdivision (c). It's assumed that those not in AFS haven't been DROSed before, and so they must have a special background check done on them. I do not think this is specifically a DROS background check though, since iirc, the original attempt at passing an ammo background check ran into an issue where ATF told CA DoJ to go screw themselves and that they wouldn't run background checks on ammo purchases... hence why the law says the CA DoJ must develop a background check method for people not in AFS.

Therefore, you don't add those two fees together. Those already in AFS pay $1 per transaction, which applies generally as detailed in subdivision (e), where as those who are not in AFS must be background checked and pay a DROS-equivilent fee, as detailed specifically for subdivision (c). Perhaps someone not in AFS will pay both fees the first time they run the check. It's also unclear if a non-AFS person, after having been background checked, would then be added to AFS. We'd have to see the procedure that CA DoJ comes up with.

That's my take on it anyway.

[edgerly779]

If you have an fsc, ccw, hunting licence,leo. leosa or other form of approval should be exempt.

[mshill]

If you have an fsc, ccw, hunting licence,leo. leosa or other form of approval should be exempt.

Should be, but they are not.

[Marauder2003]

CA drivers license or CA RealID divers license?

[Jimi Jah]

RealID for Winchester, CA DL for Aguila.

[Yodaman]

Wow....sounds like thee have made it easy....I mean hard


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