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  • Lavaspit
    Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 153

    "Recording" Long guns: LEGR vs. AFS - Request for Firearm Records

    Hi guys,

    Its been a while since Ive been here, and Im not positive this is the right section for this thread, but these are legal questions.

    In 2014 for reasons unrelated to any firearms activities or cries, I granted SFPD access to my home, and entry to my gun safe, becasue all my firearms were and are CA legal, registered, and properly stored. Of course SFPD being who they are, they found a barrel shroud that looked enough to them like a silencer, and cleaned me out - including $3K in savings.

    I have been working with Police Legal over the course of a year to find out how to reclaim my collection and get due process. She has recently stopped being helpful. This is as far as I got: I submitted all my Law Enforcement Gun Release Forms to the DOJ and they all came back. The handgun forms came back with certificates as "recorded in AFS". The "long gun" or rifle forms came back as "not rerecorded in AFS", but also came with certificates. I assume becasue long guns dont need to be registered in California.

    While I worked to secure a court date on calendar and sort out the rifle thing, the certificates expired,and so I wasn't able to move forward in SF court, and now have to start over. Im going to resubmit all the forms to the DOJ, but this time I need to make sure that the rifles are "recorded" along with the handguns, and come back as certified CA legal and owned by me.

    How do I do this?

    What specific DOJ forms do I need to submit and whats the process?

    The only forms I see that looks remotely close is BOF4542A: Firearm Ownership Record:



    And BOF053: Automated Firearms System (AFS)
    Request for Firearm Records:




    Are either of these correct? Why wasn't the initial LEGR submission enough to show Im claiming / registering the rifles? I sent the serial number and descriptions in - it will be the same information.

    Incidentally, all my original firearms registration paper work was also confiscated and is in SFPD property, and I also need a court order to get that - so dont think that will help me.

    I would dearly appreciate your help in getting the log guns "records" so I can reclaim from anyone who is familiar with this process. If its of any consequence, this is the list of aforementioned rifles:

    Tikka T3, custom .308 (un-fired)
    Rodedale Tac Stock (Flat Earth)
    Atlas Bipod
    Leupold Mark 4 LR/T M1 6.5-19.5x50

    ISSC MK22, Rimfire .22 rifle
    -Cheap Scope (Acog I think)
    -Barrel shroud

    Ruger .22 Rimfire, something like an 8329

    Sig 556 with Magpul stock and Luepold scope, lots of nice extras. Last of the Pentagon lights! Technically Center-fire so not sure how much luck I'll have with this one but if anyone knows what the current laws are since my purchase pre-dates recent updates, let me know.

    A lot of Mags, a lot of bullets, and one SBR stock for my Beretta PX4 Storm.

    If this is in the wrong forum, I apologize.

    Thank you.
  • #2
    SVT-40
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2008
    • 12894

    Has the matter which caused the Police to be at your home been completely resolved? And what was the disposition?

    Because if it hasn't you probably cannot get your firearms back..

    It would also help to know why the Police were at your home, and what was the reason for taking your firearms into custody.

    Based on the limited story I would assume it was a domestic violence situation.
    Poke'm with a stick!


    Originally posted by fiddletown
    What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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    • #3
      Lavaspit
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      • Jan 2012
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      • #4
        Cokebottle
        Señor Member
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2009
        • 32373

        Nothing has changed from 2014 to today. When you retrieve them from the PD, they will be logged into AFS via DROS.
        - Rich

        Originally posted by dantodd
        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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        • #5
          SVT-40
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2008
          • 12894

          What was the disposition?

          No charges filed?
          Plea agreement?
          Trial?
          Result of the trial?
          Probation?

          Adult criminal matters cannot be "sealed". they are on your record forever.

          If you were charged with sales or a similar charge, being "armed" (having firearms) can be an additional charge to the sales or possession charge.

          If you made a plea deal that probably included forfeiting all evidence (including the firearms and money).

          So without knowing the exact disposition of the case it's useless to speculate on what if anything you can do to have the items seized returned.
          Poke'm with a stick!


          Originally posted by fiddletown
          What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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            Lavaspit
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            • Jan 2012
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              Cokebottle
              Señor Member
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2009
              • 32373

              You can try a Vol-Reg through CFARS.
              That will get them logged into AFS by make/model/caliber/serial number/barrel length.
              - Rich

              Originally posted by dantodd
              A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                ajb78
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Apr 2017
                • 1441

                Originally posted by Lavaspit
                [snip]The handgun forms came back with certificates as "recorded in AFS". The "long gun" or rifle forms came back as "not rerecorded in AFS", but also came with certificates. I assume becasue long guns dont need to be registered in California./[snip]
                Is your first post accurate where it says rerecorded; as in, they're already recorded in AFS, therefore they didn't record them again?

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                • #9
                  TRICKSTER
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 12438

                  If you are still doing the same thing you were then and are still now a prohibited person under federal law.


                  Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

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                  • #10
                    Lavaspit
                    Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 153

                    CFARS / AFS

                    Originally posted by Cokebottle
                    You can try a Vol-Reg through CFARS.
                    That will get them logged into AFS by make/model/caliber/serial number/barrel length.
                    Its strange becasue that's the same preclude for LEGR, which i did submit.

                    I wrote CFARS and tried to get an account but they're not that helpful either. Can you be a little more specif c on how to log these rifles in AFS this way? Thanks!

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                    • #11
                      Lavaspit
                      Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 153

                      "Re-recorded" = Start over with DOJ

                      Originally posted by ajb78
                      Is your first post accurate where it says rerecorded; as in, they're already recorded in AFS, therefore they didn't record them again?
                      The handguns are recorded in AFS. That show they came back fro the DOJ with certificates.

                      The rifles also came back with certificates, but ticked "not records in AFS".

                      I was even thinking those would be enough to get them released since its still certificate, but police legal wants them "recorded", and wont say anything more.

                      So my "re-recorded" I might have mean "i have to start over and re-check everything with AFS /DOJ".

                      Make sense?

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                      • #12
                        Cokebottle
                        Señor Member
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32373

                        Originally posted by Lavaspit
                        Its strange becasue that's the same preclude for LEGR, which i did submit.

                        I wrote CFARS and tried to get an account but they're not that helpful either. Can you be a little more specif c on how to log these rifles in AFS this way? Thanks!
                        After you are logged in, go here:

                        That will allow you to input the detailed information for long guns that were purchased prior to California's long gun registration law changes.
                        If it's not currently in AFS, that will put it there.
                        Non-* fields are not mandatory, you do not need to have an FSC for this (but you will need one to take possession when they are released from the PD)




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                        Last edited by Cokebottle; 07-15-2018, 2:14 PM.
                        - Rich

                        Originally posted by dantodd
                        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                        • #13
                          BagelBites
                          Member
                          • Mar 2016
                          • 294

                          Attention Beginning December 1, 2021, applicants must electronically submit a Law Enforcement Release (LER) application for the return of firearm(s), ammunition, and/or ammunition feeding device(s) via the California Firearms Application Reporting System (CFARS). Applicants that do not already have a CFARS account will be required to create an account in order to directly communicate with the Department and to check the status of an application. The Department will no longer accept paper LER application (BOF 119) submissions.

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                          • #14
                            Lavaspit
                            Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 153

                            Wow, that will get them in AFS? how long does it take? Will I get paper work or certificates back or is there another step?

                            Thanks man!

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                            • #15
                              Lavaspit
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 153

                              Right-o

                              Originally posted by BagelBites
                              Hey - yes also aware of this form. Going to have to submit I guess 4 of them.
                              Does anyone think there's a hope in hell I'll get my Sig 556 back?

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