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  • Electrician
    Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 125

    Self Serialized 80% REQUIRED To Volreg Or OPTIONAL? Pre 7/1/18

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    Inlander Arms
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 936

    Yes, CADOJ wants all homebuilds registered. Anything built before July 1st has until the end of the year to be registered. Commencing July 1st, prior to building, one must request a serial number (pre register) before building.
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    • #3
      Electrician
      Member
      • Mar 2017
      • 125

      Originally posted by Inlander Arms
      Yes, CADOJ wants all homebuilds registered. Anything built before July 1st has until the end of the year to be registered. Commencing July 1st, prior to building, one must request a serial number (pre register) before building.


      Do you know where I can find this information in writing just trying to CYA no disrespect I appreciate your reply brother!

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      • #4
        Uncivil Engineer
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2016
        • 1101

        I agree we need to see the difference between wants and requires.

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        • #5
          GuamSAR
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2013
          • 76

          I am not a lawyer, but from how I read the law, if you have a homebuild that has a serial number that is not an "assault" weapon prior to July 1 you do not have to do anything. No registration required.

          If I am wrong, I'm sure someone will be along soon to flame spray me.

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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30241

            Originally posted by Electrician
            Do you know where I can find this information in writing just trying to CYA no disrespect I appreciate your reply brother!
            If it's self-marked and voluntarily registered before 07-01-2018, then it's exempt from needing CA DOJ marking info. [11 CCR 5508(c)]

            If it's made and not voluntarily registered, then starting 07-01-2018, it needs CA DOJ marking info engraved on it before 01-01-2019. [11 CCR 5510(a)(1)]




            Penal Code 29182
            (f) The department shall adopt regulations to administer this chapter.

            California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 3 Section 5508
            The following firearms are not affected by these regulations and do not have to be recorded with the Department:
            (a) A self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm containing a serial number assigned to it pursuant to Penal Code section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
            (b) A firearm that was manufactured or assembled prior to December 16, 1968, as long as the firearm is not a handgun.
            (c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department. This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.
            (d) A firearm containing a serial number pursuant to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto. Hence, if the individual's firearm already has a serial number issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee, whether it is an already functionally complete firearm or just a receiver or frame by itself, the individual does not have to reapply for a Department-issued unique serial number.
            (e) A firearm that is a curio, relic, or an antique firearm.

            California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 4 Section 5509
            Persons Affected by These Regulations.
            This article applies to the following:
            (a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm originally made from an unfinished receiver or frame as of July 1, 2018; and
            (b) An individual who intends to manufacture or assemble a firearm from an unfinished receiver or frame on or after July 1, 2018.

            California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 4 Section 5510
            Effective Dates.
            (a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm originally made from an unfinished receiver or frame that has not yet been recorded with the Department shall:
            (1) Beginning on July 1, 2018, apply to the Department to request a unique serial number to record the firearm with the Department. The individual shall submit an electronic application to request a serial number for the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm to the Department before January 1, 2019.
            (b) As of July 1, 2018, no individual shall manufacture or assemble a firearm from an unfinished receiver or frame unless the individual applies to the Department for a unique serial number prior to manufacturing or assembling the firearm.
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            "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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            • #7
              Uncivil Engineer
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2016
              • 1101

              If you placed a serial number on a home made gun and it isn't registered. They would have you apply for a searial number and place that one on the gun. Isn't removing a serial number to add the second one a federal crime?

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              • #8
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30241

                Originally posted by Uncivil Engineer
                If you placed a serial number on a home made gun and it isn't registered. They would have you apply for a searial number and place that one on the gun. Isn't removing a serial number to add the second one a federal crime?
                No markings are being removed.

                The CA DOJ markings are added to the existing markings.

                Your original serial number will be considered an "other mark of identification" and the CA DOJ issued number will be considered the actual serial number.
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                "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                • #9
                  rero360
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 3926

                  What is the punishment for not vol-reg? Infraction, misdemeanor, felony?

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                  • #10
                    Electrician
                    Member
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 125

                    Originally posted by Quiet
                    If it's self-marked and voluntarily registered before 07-01-2018, then it's exempt from needing CA DOJ marking info. [11 CCR 5508(c)]

                    If it's made and not voluntarily registered, then starting 07-01-2018, it needs CA DOJ marking info engraved on it before 01-01-2019. [11 CCR 5510(a)(1)]




                    Penal Code 29182
                    (f) The department shall adopt regulations to administer this chapter.

                    California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 3 Section 5508
                    The following firearms are not affected by these regulations and do not have to be recorded with the Department:
                    (a) A self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm containing a serial number assigned to it pursuant to Penal Code section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
                    (b) A firearm that was manufactured or assembled prior to December 16, 1968, as long as the firearm is not a handgun.
                    (c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department. This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.
                    (d) A firearm containing a serial number pursuant to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto. Hence, if the individual's firearm already has a serial number issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee, whether it is an already functionally complete firearm or just a receiver or frame by itself, the individual does not have to reapply for a Department-issued unique serial number.
                    (e) A firearm that is a curio, relic, or an antique firearm.

                    California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 4 Section 5509
                    Persons Affected by These Regulations.
                    This article applies to the following:
                    (a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm originally made from an unfinished receiver or frame as of July 1, 2018; and
                    (b) An individual who intends to manufacture or assemble a firearm from an unfinished receiver or frame on or after July 1, 2018.

                    California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 41 Article 4 Section 5510
                    Effective Dates.
                    (a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm originally made from an unfinished receiver or frame that has not yet been recorded with the Department shall:
                    (1) Beginning on July 1, 2018, apply to the Department to request a unique serial number to record the firearm with the Department. The individual shall submit an electronic application to request a serial number for the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm to the Department before January 1, 2019.
                    (b) As of July 1, 2018, no individual shall manufacture or assemble a firearm from an unfinished receiver or frame unless the individual applies to the Department for a unique serial number prior to manufacturing or assembling the firearm.


                    Quiet! as always thank you brother. I was hoping you or Rick would come through for me. [emoji106]

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                    • #11
                      paddyraid
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2017
                      • 568

                      Originally posted by rero360
                      What is the punishment for not vol-reg? Infraction, misdemeanor, felony?

                      good question for those of you that don't volreg.

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                      • #12
                        Califpatriot
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 2438

                        Originally posted by rero360
                        What is the punishment for not vol-reg? Infraction, misdemeanor, felony?
                        Misdemeanor.
                        In case it wasn't obvious, nothing I write here should be interpreted as legal advice.

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                        • #13
                          Uncivil Engineer
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 1101

                          Right after California figures out how to prove a negative.

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                          • #14
                            paddyraid
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2017
                            • 568


                            Why are you sorry? Why do so many people apologize here when they post?

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                              Ej6fade
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 773

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