Can We Put the DOJ Serial Number Anywhere?

[Gnote]

The turn around was quick for getting a serial number. My friend submitted it earlier this week via email and received two days later. Those that haven't submit a 1008 form yet, I recommend doing email and asking them to rush.

As a data point, the number received was in the high 4800's.

The lower was previously engraved and serialized on the left-side mag well. Was wondering if the DOJ serial number had to go there or if it could go somewhere else such as above the two trigger pins on the left side.

Also, should it be identified by prefacing the new serial with "DOJ SN:" or can it just be the assigned serial number? The self-assigned serial number was prefaced with "S/N:".

Thanks everyone.

[shaocaholica]

You should ask in the 80% megathread.

[M1NM]

If it was already marked why did you get a doj number?

[Tasty]

My recommendation would be to put it where it belongs: in the trash can.

[sirsloth]

I'm in the same situation as you. My lower was already engraved per ATF specs with a made up name for the manufacturer in the usually locations.
I was planning on just engraving my First/Last Name and FMBUS# on the reverse side in the minimum size font.
I wasn't planning on prefacing it with anything. That wasn't a requirement, was it?

[Gnote]

shaocaholica - will do.

M1NM - it was already engraved some years back and DOJ will not let him use self-assigned serial number.

Tasty - haha.

[Quiet]

Can We Put the DOJ Serial Number Anywhere?

The lower was previously engraved and serialized on the left-side mag well. Was wondering if the DOJ serial number had to go there or if it could go somewhere else such as above the two trigger pins on the left side.

Also, should it be identified by prefacing the new serial with "DOJ SN:" or can it just be the assigned serial number? The self-assigned serial number was prefaced with "S/N:".

11 CCR 5519
A firearm manufactured or assembled from polymer plastic shall contain its unique serial number on 3.7 ounces of material type 17-4 PH stainless steel. This stainless steel piece shall be embedded within the plastic receiver or frame upon the firearm’s manufacture or assembly.

11 CCR 5520
(a) The Department shall issue a unique serial number to the applicant only if the applicant is eligible to possess or own a firearm. Once the Department issues a unique serial number it shall be applied to the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm as follows:
(1) Upon receiving a Department-issued unique serial number, the applicant may contact a Federal Firearms Licensed Manufacturer (type 07) to have the unique serial number applied to the firearm in a manner consistent with this section and federal law. However, a Federal Firearms Licensee is under no obligation to perform this work. The applicant may also use an unlicensed party to apply the unique serial number and other required markings to the firearm; however, the owner of the firearm shall not leave the firearm unattended with an unlicensed party or the applicant will be in violation of Penal Code section 27545. Finally, the applicant may personally apply the unique serial number to the firearm if the applicant complies with the requirements set out below in subsection (2) of this section. Proof of the engraved unique serial number on the firearm shall be given to the Department in the form of digital images of the newly serialized firearm. These digital images shall be submitted on CFARS in accordance with the digital image requirement noted in section 5521 of these regulations.
(2) The applicant shall legibly and uniquely mark and identify each self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm as follows:
(A) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise permanently placing in a conspicuous location on the receiver or frame of the firearm or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof the unique serial number. The unique serial number shall be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and shall not duplicate any serial number placed by the unlicensed manufacturer on any other firearm. The engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number shall be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print no smaller than 1/16 inch; and
(B) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information that is mentioned below. This information shall be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. The additional information shall include:
(i) The model of the firearm, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge of the firearm;
(iii) The manufacturer’s first and last name as provided to the Department for recording purposes, when applicable; and
(iv) The city and state (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where the manufacturer made the firearm.
(3) The depth of all markings required by this section shall be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(2)(A) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).
(4) The Department shall deny the applicant’s unique serial number application if it determines the above described marking requirements have not been met.

11 CCR 5507
(h) “Conspicuously” means that all required markings shall be placed in such a manner as to be wholly unobstructed from plain view.
(o) “Legibly marked” means using exclusively Roman letters (A, a, B, b, C, c, and so forth) and numbers.

[Gnote]

Thank you Quiet. Reading the sections you quoted, it seems like it should be okay. Been looking at other rifles and shotguns we have and serial numbers are placed by themselves in different places of the receiver. Mossy shotgun has it stamped on the left-side, Beretta shotgun is lower-right-side, 10-22 is upper-left-side, and so on. Some are near the manufacturer info, others are on opposite side of manufacturer info.

[Gnote]

I'm in the same situation as you. My lower was already engraved per ATF specs with a made up name for the manufacturer in the usually locations.
I was planning on just engraving my First/Last Name and FMBUS# on the reverse side in the minimum size font.
I wasn't planning on prefacing it with anything. That wasn't a requirement, was it?

sirsloth - from quiet's post above, the preface is not needed so I am leaving off.